Possible Ranieri replacements? (5 Viewers)

[Red]

Just brainstorming here: Walter Zenga? Pasquale Marino? Walter Mazzari? Delio Rossi? Claudio Gentile? Novellino?... Rijkaard? Juande Ramos?

Mazzari was one I was thinking about earlier.

Untested at the top level, but a good man-manager and at playing a system which suits the players at his disposal.

Spalletti plays beautiful football but he's not a winner either

I don't rate Spalletti very highly because he can only play in one way. I want a coach to be more flexible with his tactic's.

Prandelli all the way

Not going to happen.

I think getting Vialli could be a good idea

He has never really accomplished anything as a coach.

Don't you thin there is a reason that he hasn't been employed for years?

I want Ranieri out because it's painfull watching our team, but i don't want his replacement to be just as bad.
Our directors should start looking for a replacement starting from today. They should play dirty and even try to steal some great coach. But they should not fall under the pressure from the public and replace Ranieri with some average Joe just for the sake of replacing Ranieri.

Of course, the fools will do none of this and they'll keep Ranieri.

I agree with what should be done but, unfortunately, I seem to be looking into the same crystal ball as yourself.

 

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[Bjerknes]

I want the coach of my team to love the team he's coaching but that's not the most important thing, Andy.
Even if someone doesn't love the team, he loves his career, he loves the money he's making, he plans to make even more money in the future, he cares about his reputation. Every coach gives his all to win, no matter if he is a lifetime fan of the team or not.
For the coach it's more important what he has in his head than in his heart.

If the choice is Wenger or Conte then i'll have to say "i'm sorry Antonio, you didn't make it".

Here we're not talking about Wenger vs Conte, though. The discussion is about Ranieri vs Conte, Gentile, Ferrara.
What do we get from Conte's love for the team when his coaching record says "Relegated from serie B to serie C" ? What do we get from Ferrara's love when his coaching record is non-existent ? Gentile is only 2 years younger than Ranieri and he never coached a senior team in his life.

Do you really want these guys to lead our team ?


I want Ranieri out and i want a proven winner to replace him. I don't accept anything else. I don't accept keeping Ranieri nor do i accept replacing Ranieri with someone whose greatest success as a coach is winning the 11th place in serie B.

Looking at the team now, I don't even think we have a team out there. It's come to the point where the players are not only responsible for their play, but also to coach themselves, because I don't see much coaching out there. It's like we don't even have a manager.

So looking at this, well, why not give somebody such as Gentile a try. It's not like we can get any worse than this; the players are responsible for the results, as it's obvious we don't have any tactical acumen facing any side, just like last season.

Whatever the case, I'll always be disgruntled with the management for the behavior with Deschamps. But that's not the reason I hate Ranieri.

 

[Esteban]

I think we'll see something like: if Ranieri can turn things around and have an acceptable season (top 4 finnish and go deep in CL) but no trophies he stays until summer and is then replaced by a proven one. If things continue to go this way he is out within 5 games and replaced by an old hero with limited experience such as Conte or Ferrara for the remainder of the season and then bring in someone proven during summer.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Andy, we cant get someone with no experience with the group we have, far too many world champs and players who have done it all. Some sort of pedigree is necessary

 

[Stephan]

I am not too sure about the "proven" part. The management wants someone they can toy around and who doesnt demand too much.

 

[JCK]

If I recall correctly, it was in an interview with one of those French papers. It's the same one where he gave his opinion on the players Juventus should buy, and in response some people on here decided to say he man should shut up.

When he resigned I was in Italy and my lack of knowledge in Italian language made it difficult to me to understand what was going on. All I know is that when I came back, the only thing I read was him saying that his treatment was unacceptable. Anyway, that's not the discussion here and apparently as some are saying Ranieri seems to be leaving.

 

[Bjerknes]

Andy, we cant get someone with no experience with the group we have, far too many world champs and players who have done it all. Some sort of pedigree is necessary

Maybe so, but basically what you're saying is we're stuck with Ranieri.

But he never had much under his resume heading anyway.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

not in the state of things, if they dont listen to the players their days are over

 

[Bjerknes]

When he resigned I was in Italy and my lack of knowledge in Italian language made it difficult to me to understand what was going on. All I know is that when I came back, the only thing I read was him saying that his treatment was unacceptable. Anyway, that's not the discussion here and apparently as some are saying Ranieri seems to be leaving.

I think it's obvious what is going on/has happened anyway. Acoms Razor here.

 

[Alen]

It's not like we can get any worse than this;

Now, this is the most important part of this discussion.
Is our goal to find someone who won't be worse than Ranieri or to get someone who'll win us trophies ?

If the choice is Ranieri or Gentile then yes, it might be better to go for our ex-star.
I guess you're more realistic than i am and you excluded the option where Secco will bring Wenger or Hiddink to coach Juve so now you're only looking for someone (anyone) to replace Ranieri.

But there is a very big possibility that such an unproven coach, even though he won't be worse than Ranieri, won't be much better than him. That's the risk i want to avoid and that's why i hope (not a big hope) that our directors will go after some big name like Moratti did this summer.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Maybe so, but basically what you're saying is we're stuck with Ranieri.

But he never had much under his resume heading anyway.

yes unfortunately, but this whole masquerade needs to end soon i actually noticed it a few weeks ago that something was brewing. And mark my word it will have something to do with our defensive ineptitude. once again worse mercato that i have ever witnessed.

 

[Bjerknes]

Now, this is the most important part of this discussion.
Is our goal to find someone who won't be worse than Ranieri or to get someone who'll win us trophies ?

If the choice is Ranieri or Gentile then yes, it might be better to go for our ex-star.
I guess you're more realistic than i am and you excluded the option where Secco will bring Wenger or Hiddink to coach Juve so now you're only looking for someone (anyone) to replace Ranieri.

But there is a very big possibility that such an unproven coach, even though he won't be worse than Ranieri, won't be much better than him. That's the risk i want to avoid and that's why i hope (not a big hope) that our directors will go after some big name like Moratti did this summer.

Indeed, you're correct in saying an unproven manager could be worse than Ranieri. It might be hard to imagine, but anything is possible.

I don't know, but the future doesn't look bright at all. When Camoranesi said it would take us a decade to get back on track, perhaps he was right. There is too much trouble and inconsistencies surrounding the club that I suppose we have to be patient for success. Perhaps you're right in that going for an unproven manager might backfire, but unproven managers are the only managers available. And this list includes people such as Rijkaard and Mancini (fuck the latter).

If this is the reality we face, and we have to stick with Ranieri, I'd much rather he lives up to his name "The Tinkerman" and start using players such as Rossi and Pasquato, you know, to start building for the future. If there is no hope in winning anything, we should start forming a team for the future, which is what I originally thought Ranieri was here to do before he started to ruin certain youngsters. We might as well play Ekdal, Rossi, Pasquato, et cetera, and bring them along well so that by 2013, we might have a fantastic squad.

That might seem like a pessimistic view to some, but I think it's a realist view if we are stuck with Ranieri as manager and horrendous transfer campaigns. Lets become the Arsenal of Italy for a few years.

yes unfortunately, but this whole masquerade needs to end soon i actually noticed it a few weeks ago that something was brewing. And mark my word it will have something to do with our defensive ineptitude. once again worse mercato that i have ever witnessed.

Well of course the defense will bring our downfall. We predicted this...

Terrible mercato indeed.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Well of course the defense will bring our downfall. We predicted this...

Terrible mercato indeed.

no i meant as part of the reason for the rift

 

[RavaneVialli]

The combined trophy cabinet of the much hyped duo of Prandelli and Spalletti: 1 Coppa.

You are right, I'm not a fan of Ranieri and I want him to be fired, but they aren't better than him. Spalletti can't properly establish defensive play at all (he's even worse than Ranieri here), he's tactics are nice to watch, but not effective. Having 4 very good strikers at Juve also doesn't exactly cope with his beloved 4-2-3-1 formation.
And we were complaining that Ranieri with superior side can't win against smaller teams, that he's not a winner - Prandelli also had a superior squad last season than many smaller teams and couldn't do that many times either, he's lost 4th spot at the end of the season (pathetically losing to Cagliari...) and regained it only thankfully to Ancelotti's ineptness and Hamsik's brilliant skills that taken away CL spot from Milan, as far as I remember. This is not characteristic for a "winner" coach, only age is in favor of him over Ranieri, as he can win something in the future, however, he's not that young either. He's overrated because he's a former Juventus player and plays offensive 4-3-3 rather than Ranieri's boring 4-4-2. But results are merely just the same.

We need an improvement, which Prandelli or Spalletti aren't, a coach of good reputation who won something already. Not particularly a Juventus legend or former player, trust me, you don't want Boniek to coach this club.

 

[Bjerknes]

no i meant as part of the reason for the rift

I think it's more about how we look as a team, and what Ranieri wants his players to do (or not do).

 

[.zero]

i think i would make a great replacement for ranieri

 

[xuxa19]

what about Sven Goran Erickson he right know is at Mexico NT,
He was very good at lacio and he love very much Seria A .. when he was at city he`s first choice of player where form Seria A.

 

[dogsarecute]

All the "winners" are tied down by contracts. Spalletti is not a winner more than CR. His team just lost again despite spending so much. How many of the others mentioned are winners anyway? Give Ranieri time. A young team needs time, especially in a time when our champions are not performing. I also need to add how many of them are willing to play as many youngsters as him.

 

[Sarah]

i think i would make a great replacement for ranieri

Yeah it is not like we can get any worse than this

 

[DelpieroForLife]

DD, Ferrara, Conte, Lippi, Me, You, Molinaro.... anyone will do just sack the loser.