Pharmaceutical Mafia (4 Viewers)

[swag]

Even Paul Wolfowitz and Alen Greenspan said the Iraq war was all about oil. Anybody with a brain can figure this stuff out -- it's not brain surgery. Although I'm sure many folks could use it.

I would like to distance myself from these clowns who are destroying other countries -- and my own -- through their sheer hubris and lack of regard for human life.

This is not America.

The saddest part about this is that George W Bush made a clear and major point during the 2000 election that he was not going to get into the business of "nation building" -- as a contrast to the previous Clinton presidency. That fucker spent more on nation building than the Marshall Plan.

 

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[giovanotti]

who authorized the attacks on kosovo?

As far as I know Kosovo and Metohija was part of Yugoslavia at the time,so when the whole country was attacked the province of Kosovo and Metohija (now independent part of land) was under the same attacks.

 

[Osman]

Obviously not refering to that.

 

[IrishZebra]

Wasn't Kosovo a NATO operation?

I don't think you can call into question the actions of NATO is this conflict due to well you know the whole genocide thing...

 

[giovanotti]

Wasn't Kosovo a NATO operation?

I don't think you can call into question the actions of NATO is this conflict due to well you know the whole genocide thing...

Without philosophy please,

answer 2 main questions here:

1-Nobody authorized the attacks on Yugoslavia,it was totally against the law the USA even avoided security council voting.What about that???

2-Where is the weapon of mass destruction??The war against Iraq ,which I call the aggression started with that excuse.
Where is the weapon???????

 

[IrishZebra]

1. You can act outside of the UN to stop Genocide, It's called R2P or Responsibilty to protect here's a primer for you.
http://responsibilitytoprotect.org/ICISS Report.pdf

2.What had Iraq got to do with NATO action during the Kosovo War???


I can't believe I'm arguing with somebody who would stand by and let genocide happen

 

[giovanotti]

1. You can act outside of the UN to stop Genocide, It's called R2P or Responsibilty to protect here's a primer for you.
http://responsibilitytoprotect.org/ICISS Report.pdf

2.What had Iraq got to do with NATO action during the Kosovo War???


I can't believe I'm arguing with somebody who would stand by and let genocide happen

Hahaha,you 're really funny guy irish zebra.
You know nothing, and you're a CNN or Sky depender,your arguments are the same.I asked you something and you're answering something totally different,but never mind.
To bad you didn't have a chance to visit Yugoslavia,it was a beautiful and a strong country.You would enjoy there,but obviously you were not even born when the country existed.

 

[IrishZebra]

Hahaha,you 're really funny guy irish zebra.
You know nothing, and you're a CNN or Sky depender,your arguments are the same.I asked you something and you're answering something totally different,but never mind.
To bad you didn't have a chance to visit Yugoslavia,it was a beautiful and a strong country.You would enjoy there,but obviously you were not even born when the country existed.

We were talking about the Kosovo War yes? you then brought up Iraq.

You are contending that the NATO attacks on a 'Yugoslavia' that was commiting GENOCIDE are illegal?

You know fuck all about International Law, and you have the gall to postulate that I recieve my data from CNN and FOX/SKY?

I was right to put you on my ignore list, it's people like you that allow bastards like Milošević to gain power and had NATO not stepped another Srebrenica to occur.

Maybe you have personal connections to the conflict, I don't know and I don't want to know.

 

[Bjerknes]

Yeah, I guess Genocide is a really good thing. As long as you're killing your own people, it's fine. Everyone else should just sit back and respect your murderous actions.

Zebra is right in this case. No more Srebrenicas, please.

 

[Bisco]

Yeah, I guess Genocide is a really good thing. As long as you're killing your own people, it's fine. Everyone else should just sit back and respect your murderous actions.

Zebra is right in this case. No more Srebrenicas, please.

thats quite true, genocides should'nt be allowed, but is'nt it ironic how they rushed to stop the genocides in the balkans while just 5 years prior to that they closed there eyes to even worse genocides in africa ( rwanda)??

i think it would be naive to assume the U.S and E.U rushed in the balkans only to stop the genocides that were taking place there. this is politics and there are benefits that control the actions of what a country deciedes to do. for instance during the early 80's when the united states moved in to help the afghans in there war against the soviets, do u think they moved in bec they cared about the afghans?? off course not they were looking at things from there point of view i,e whats there gain. after the u.s.s.r collapsed afghanistan was forgotten only for 2001 to bring it back to the world map.

i'm not saying i approve that genocides should be allowed but i completely disagree on double standards when it comes to dealing with them. its not a secret the balkan war is a complicated issue that keeps this region in a blaze all the time but there is def a gain for other powers from this un-balanced situation.

since the balkan issue was brought up, there is def a reason only 63 nations recongnized kosovo thus far. the remaining countries including arab countries have'nt recongized the indepentent state of kosovo ( putting in mind 90% of the population are muslims) bec it would bring forward similar divisions in other parts of the world like the middle east for example. during the bush era there where voices calling for a new middle east where countries will be split in smaller parts according to ethincity and religion. the lastest being the case in sudan and iraq.

so there are two sides to looking at things, and for super powers its not always about the people, democracy or human rights. whether they r ethical or not is a totally different thing.

 

[Bisco]

We were talking about the Kosovo War yes? you then brought up Iraq.

You are contending that the NATO attacks on a 'Yugoslavia' that was commiting GENOCIDE are illegal?

You know fuck all about International Law, and you have the gall to postulate that I recieve my data from CNN and FOX/SKY?

I was right to put you on my ignore list, it's people like you that allow bastards like Milošević to gain power and had NATO not stepped another Srebrenica to occur.

Maybe you have personal connections to the conflict, I don't know and I don't want to know.

he is;nt contending that nato moved in to stop the genocides irish zebra, u do tend to look at things from a topical view. the balkan issue is much more complicated than different ethnic groups going to war with one another. i mean to say just like yr opinion which i respect regarding iraq u observed it from a very narrow side and not the entire picture, once again non of the super powers move to help a particular region just for the sake of it, or for the sake of ridding the people of a certain country from a dictator.

there is no need for swear words to be exchanged its not a war is it? you have the right to accept or refuse his opinion with out the need to call one another names.

 

[IrishZebra]

he is;nt contending that nato moved in to stop the genocides irish zebra, u do tend to look at things from a topical view. the balkan issue is much more complicated than different ethnic groups going to war with one another. i mean to say just like yr opinion which i respect regarding iraq u observed it from a very narrow side and not the entire picture, once again non of the super powers move to help a particular region just for the sake of it, or for the sake of ridding the people of a certain country from a dictator.

there is no need for swear words to be exchanged its not a war is it? you have the right to accept or refuse his opinion with out the need to call one another names.

Where we you in this thread two pages ago

I can see that you actually read my posts which is fantastic. With regard to myself having a topical opinion on such issues, I'd just like to point out that they were specific incidents themselves that were brought up and not geo-politics (to begin with at least). I was an am speaking about the right of intervention not the motives of actors.

I know about power-relation and percieved US hegemony etc. but the main point is this about the Kosovo war:
Whatever the motive of NATO, the fact is that they moved in and stopped genocide from occuring. On genocide I don't care if there are bad motives for intervening, they did the right thing, maybe for the wrong reasons but they did do the right thing.

The men an women that helped stop another srebrenica are heroes, not villians.

 

[giovanotti]

We were talking about the Kosovo War yes? you then brought up Iraq.

You are contending that the NATO attacks on a 'Yugoslavia' that was commiting GENOCIDE are illegal?

You know fuck all about International Law, and you have the gall to postulate that I recieve my data from CNN and FOX/SKY?

I was right to put you on my ignore list, it's people like you that allow bastards like Milošević to gain power and had NATO not stepped another Srebrenica to occur.

Maybe you have personal connections to the conflict, I don't know and I don't want to know.

We were talking about pharmaceutical mafia and you said Africans are idiots because they don't use contraceptives. You have the same perspective over other things mentioned after.
First of all you are putting your conclusions or words into my mouth,which is silly and it leads nowhere.I have never said that I approved something or not.
And one more thing ,every citizen of the former Yugoslavia (the big and strong one) have personal connections to the conflict your family (you were not born than) watched from their armchairs and made the same conclusions as you do while watching the unique CNN and SKY.
You missed a lot of things so better for you not to comment these stuff because you look very absurd.

 

[IrishZebra]

We were talking about pharmaceutical mafia and you said Africans are idiots because they don't use contraceptives. You have the same perspective over other things mentioned after.
First of all you are putting your conclusions or words into my mouth,which is silly and it leads nowhere.I have never said that I approved something or not.
And one more thing ,every citizen of the former Yugoslavia (the big and strong one) have personal connections to the conflict your family (you were not born than) watched from their armchairs and made the same conclusions as you do while watching the unique CNN and SKY.
You missed a lot of things so better for you not to comment these stuff because you look very absurd.

I'll disregard the italic part because we've been over that and Iraq and you seem unable to comprehend what I was saying and haven't read my posts about Africa.

Saying that NATO sohuld not have interferred is akin to saying that what happened was acceptable. You put conclusions in my mouth about Iraq and Africa did you not?

You just called it the 'Big and Strong' former Yugoslavia, I gather you're pining for the 'Good Old Days' eh?

I already stated that my news sources are not and were not SKY or CNN, my primary new sources are Reuters,Press TV, RT, Euronews, Al Jazeera, RTE and AP. What are yours sources?

Don't even try to get into a Macro-Political discussion with me, you don't seem to have the wherewithal to engage in one.


One thing finally about my 'perspective' as you call it. I'm not Pro-US or Anti-Balkan, Anti-Arab or Anti-African. I am Pro-Democracy and Anti-Genocide etc. I talked about the RIGHT of NATO and the US from both an international law 'perspective' and a Humanitarian one.

I think both situations were handled terribly and Iraq for the wrong reasons. I never maintained anything else to be true

 

[giovanotti]

Yeah, I guess Genocide is a really good thing. As long as you're killing your own people, it's fine. Everyone else should just sit back and respect your murderous actions.

Zebra is right in this case. No more Srebrenicas, please.

We were not talking about Srebrenica,I asked the guy

1-Why the US attacked Yugoslavia? Who authorized the attacks?
By the way the US have the second biggest war base ,outside the US, Bondsteel with 12000 soldiers and possible capacity for 50000 (!) in Kosovo and Metohija.Why do they need it for? Stability in the region????It's funny,soon the whole region will be even more unstable then before.
They are using Slatina war airport which s built during Tito era and it has underground capacities.Why do they need it for?
Don't get me wrong I'm against any nationalism,and you have it everywhere in the World.I'm sick of past we need to look in the future,hopefully without wars and especially adjusted ones,but I'm really affected by the injustice.

2-What the hell happened with Iraq,where is the weapon of mass destruction there?By the way CNN-SKY were poisoning the nation that the US are going there because the Iraqis are threat for the entire region, because of their biochemical weapon.Where is the weapon now,no one is mentioning that now.
The citizens don't even know what is happening there,that the US soldiers are actually dying there a lot,that one million Iraqis expired because of malnutrition.
The media now are talking about the new threats Iran,North Korea and swine flu to distract from the bigger problems(like the health insurance which sucks like hell in the US).
Well too bad they don't have the vaccine against Iran and North Korea.

To cut a long story short I'm not pro genocide far from that,I'm doing a very hard job which is helping people no matter what they are or who they are.

 

[giovanotti]

thats quite true, genocides should'nt be allowed, but is'nt it ironic how they rushed to stop the genocides in the balkans while just 5 years prior to that they closed there eyes to even worse genocides in africa ( rwanda)??

i think it would be naive to assume the U.S and E.U rushed in the balkans only to stop the genocides that were taking place there. this is politics and there are benefits that control the actions of what a country deciedes to do. for instance during the early 80's when the united states moved in to help the afghans in there war against the soviets, do u think they moved in bec they cared about the afghans?? off course not they were looking at things from there point of view i,e whats there gain. after the u.s.s.r collapsed afghanistan was forgotten only for 2001 to bring it back to the world map.

i'm not saying i approve that genocides should be allowed but i completely disagree on double standards when it comes to dealing with them. its not a secret the balkan war is a complicated issue that keeps this region in a blaze all the time but there is def a gain for other powers from this un-balanced situation.

since the balkan issue was brought up, there is def a reason only 63 nations recongnized kosovo thus far. the remaining countries including arab countries have'nt recongized the indepentent state of kosovo ( putting in mind 90% of the population are muslims) bec it would bring forward similar divisions in other parts of the world like the middle east for example. during the bush era there where voices calling for a new middle east where countries will be split in smaller parts according to ethincity and religion. the lastest being the case in sudan and iraq.

so there are two sides to looking at things, and for super powers its not always about the people, democracy or human rights. whether they r ethical or not is a totally different thing.

The US are not choosing the aims regarding the US friends,they are choosing their friends regarding the US aims.

 

[IrishZebra]

The US are not choosing the aims regarding the US friends,they are choosing their friends regarding the US aims.

We're all aware of that.

 

[giovanotti]

I'll disregard the italic part because we've been over that and Iraq and you seem unable to comprehend what I was saying and haven't read my posts about Africa.[/B]

I had and I disagree.That's more than clear.

Saying that NATO sohuld not have interferred is akin to saying that what happened was acceptable. You put conclusions in my mouth about Iraq and Africa did you not?[/B]

No I didn't,you say that Africans are idiots and Iraq should be invaded anyway.You said it by yourself.

You just called it the 'Big and Strong' former Yugoslavia, I gather you're pining for the 'Good Old Days' eh?[/B]

It was big,it was strong,it had fourth strongest army in the World ,it was neutral and visas were unneeded,now every citizen of the former Yu (except Slovenians) need a visa.It had strong industry capable of producing almost everything.
It could feed half of Europe with it's wheat production.It had strong relations with Arab World ,India,African nations,South American countries,Italy,Greece,Romania,China,Japan and many others.
Yes good old days.

I already stated that my news sources are not and were not SKY or CNN, my primary new sources are Reuters,Press TV, RT, Euronews, Al Jazeera, RTE and AP. What are yours sources?

Don't even try to get into a Macro-Political discussion with me, you don't seem to have the wherewithal to engage in one.[/B]

Wow sorry,didn't know that you're such a big factor.
My sources-MY BRAIN!I don't have a need to be fed by the sources,I realized that the most important thing is to use your brain and not to be one sided.

One thing finally about my 'perspective' as you call it. I'm not Pro-US or Anti-Balkan, Anti-Arab or Anti-African. I am Pro-Democracy and Anti-Genocide etc. I talked about the RIGHT of NATO and the US from both an international law 'perspective' and a Humanitarian one.

I think both situations were handled terribly and Iraq for the wrong reasons. I never maintained anything else to be true

But you make your picture thanks to the media you mentioned.
I said CNN-SKY because they're representative but others are well dictated as well.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

thats quite true, genocides should'nt be allowed, but is'nt it ironic how they rushed to stop the genocides in the balkans while just 5 years prior to that they closed there eyes to even worse genocides in africa ( rwanda)??

i think it would be naive to assume the U.S and E.U rushed in the balkans only to stop the genocides that were taking place there. this is politics and there are benefits that control the actions of what a country deciedes to do. for instance during the early 80's when the united states moved in to help the afghans in there war against the soviets, do u think they moved in bec they cared about the afghans?? off course not they were looking at things from there point of view i,e whats there gain. after the u.s.s.r collapsed afghanistan was forgotten only for 2001 to bring it back to the world map.

i'm not saying i approve that genocides should be allowed but i completely disagree on double standards when it comes to dealing with them. its not a secret the balkan war is a complicated issue that keeps this region in a blaze all the time but there is def a gain for other powers from this un-balanced situation.

since the balkan issue was brought up, there is def a reason only 63 nations recongnized kosovo thus far. the remaining countries including arab countries have'nt recongized the indepentent state of kosovo ( putting in mind 90% of the population are muslims) bec it would bring forward similar divisions in other parts of the world like the middle east for example. during the bush era there where voices calling for a new middle east where countries will be split in smaller parts according to ethincity and religion. the lastest being the case in sudan and iraq.

so there are two sides to looking at things, and for super powers its not always about the people, democracy or human rights. whether they r ethical or not is a totally different thing.

you say that like it's a surprise

 

[IrishZebra]

It was big,it was strong,it had fourth strongest army in the World ,it was neutral and visas were unneeded,now every citizen of the former Yu (except Slovenians) need a visa.It had strong industry capable of producing almost everything.
It could feed half of Europe with it's wheat production.It had strong relations with Arab World ,India,African nations,South American countries,Italy,Greece,Romania,China,Japan and many others.
Yes good old days.

It was also Autocratic or have you forgotten that? The Communist Yugoslavia is not something to be admired, in the same way that the Soviet Union is not to be admired. As for the break-up of the Yugoslavia, the people in Croatia,Serbia,Bosnia,Macedonia etc. have a right to Self-Determination. They voted for it and believe me we admire your countries more now than we ever did when they were Yugoslavia.

Wow sorry,didn't know that you're such a big factor.
My sources-MY BRAIN!I don't have a need to be fed by the sources,I realized that the most important thing is to use your brain and not to be one sided.


But you make your picture thanks to the media you mentioned.
I said CNN-SKY because they're representative but others are well dictated as well.

Relying on your brain alone is probably the most one-sided thing you can do.