Pharmaceutical Mafia (3 Viewers)
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this is unfortunately how things go when it comes to trials, although what they teach us in the faculty of pharmacy regarding trials is sth completely different. regarding the physicans role ( if present) has also taken a massive blow at least in this part of the world where the medicine industry is quite different to the one in the united kingdom or the united states. the pharmaceutical companies here would make there product worth prescribing not for its benefits or side effects but for the value ( whether monetry or non-monetery which include all paid for trips to exotic parts of the world, and or cars) the physican would recieve from the multi-national pharmaceutical company.
a friend of mine worked for a leading pharmaceutical company in cairo and he swears to me a physician who is very well known in the health industry clearly told him if he is to prescribe any product produced by my friends firm he would need a new car for his wife. guess what happened next??? they got him the car and thats sadly how things work in most cases. its very rare to find a physican who has'nt been blinded by what pharmaceutical companies have to offer him in return for prescribing there products.
i was lucky to take a course called pharmacy practice and ethics and sadly the professor at the end of the course told us " what you've learned in this course, is how things should be done in the medicine industry but we dont live in an ideal world any more" the power of pharmaceutical firms is quite under estimated by many but this article u posted comes as no surprise to me. are there expecptions?? i honestly would'nt know the answer this one.
as corrupt or evil this industry is ( just like any industry it has its dirty ways) i would'nt be paranoid or worried when ever the need to take a medication arises. there have been several cases where certain drugs have been passed as safe only to be banned due to extensive testing by the fda for instance. a famous one is flu medicines which contain chlorphenicol which has been proven to cause bone marrow depression and it was then banned from use.
great find mikhail
a friend of mine worked for a leading pharmaceutical company in cairo and he swears to me a physician who is very well known in the health industry clearly told him if he is to prescribe any product produced by my friends firm he would need a new car for his wife. guess what happened next??? they got him the car and thats sadly how things work in most cases. its very rare to find a physican who has'nt been blinded by what pharmaceutical companies have to offer him in return for prescribing there products.
i was lucky to take a course called pharmacy practice and ethics and sadly the professor at the end of the course told us " what you've learned in this course, is how things should be done in the medicine industry but we dont live in an ideal world any more" the power of pharmaceutical firms is quite under estimated by many but this article u posted comes as no surprise to me. are there expecptions?? i honestly would'nt know the answer this one.
as corrupt or evil this industry is ( just like any industry it has its dirty ways) i would'nt be paranoid or worried when ever the need to take a medication arises. there have been several cases where certain drugs have been passed as safe only to be banned due to extensive testing by the fda for instance. a famous one is flu medicines which contain chlorphenicol which has been proven to cause bone marrow depression and it was then banned from use.
great find mikhail
When I say radicals I mean on guys like Barkuss/Cruelo who stated his opinion in other thread. Those are fascist and we had/have them on all sides.
In 1974. new statute was brought to Yugoslavia, and with him they brought more autonomy to Kosovo and Vojvodina, and Yugoslavia probably was in the way of modernisation, however after Tito died Yugoslavia was left wtihout strong hand that kept Yugoslavia together, and extremist/radicals were back in bussines.
In 1974. new statute was brought to Yugoslavia, and with him they brought more autonomy to Kosovo and Vojvodina, and Yugoslavia probably was in the way of modernisation, however after Tito died Yugoslavia was left wtihout strong hand that kept Yugoslavia together, and extremist/radicals were back in bussines.
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You said one of the biggest nonsense.
Life in Yugoslavia was better than life in many Western countries will ever be.
And one more thing,nobody voted for anything,it is more complicated than that.
Yugoslavia had several ethnic groups and both separatism and nationalism of every group was forbidden and very well controlled.
But despite that Yugoslavia was one of the most respected countries than.
You said it perfectly ,Gordan.
What kind of argument is that.
Calling someone insane because he is stating his opinion.
Oh yeah right ,you are that guy who said Africans are idiots.
Good point Bisco.
Exactly!!!!
Yes but at the same time Guantanamo base ,with it's torturing ,exists.
You are obviously pseudo informed.
One million workers ,do you know what are you talking about...
The crisis started with a war, which we all ex Yugoslavs consider for the most stupidest and the worst thing that ever happened in our lives.
But we all know now who was arming the different sides.
About the separatism-ok 400 000 Serbs live in Chicago,would you accept if they wanted to form their own country there?
Do you know how many Bosnian people live in Sweden,what would happen if they wanted it for themselves???
Yugoslavia was a product of post WW2 peace process.
The superpowers of the time let Yugoslavia to be formed and the superpowers influenced on the collaps of Yugoslavia.
Very well put.
No, the radicals that wanted to start secession.
It was not only the case in Yugoslavia,
1- in USA there is group that want independent Texas,
2- I lived in Italy and they have a move for Padania (which represents the North very developed part).Some secessionists want to separate the Northern part from the Southern,but the law treat them extremely drastic.
3-In Spain there are terrorist groups fighting for their part of the land,that's separatism.
4-Abhazia the part of Georgia which are heading towards the independence.There is a war because of that.
All the separatism moves I mentioned are aiming at the countries stability and territorial sovereignty and that's why these radical moves are treated drastically.
I especially liked this part:
"Another common problem is that the industry can choose which data to publish, and which to leave unavailable. Much has been written on eye-catching stories, such as the difficulties in getting clear information about the number of suicide attempts in industry trials of SSRI antidepressants4 or the number of heart attacks in patients on rofecoxib (Vioxx)".
Exactly ,same thing here.
Life in Yugoslavia was better than life in many Western countries will ever be.
And one more thing,nobody voted for anything,it is more complicated than that.
Yugoslavia had several ethnic groups and both separatism and nationalism of every group was forbidden and very well controlled.
But despite that Yugoslavia was one of the most respected countries than.
You said it perfectly ,Gordan.
What kind of argument is that.
Calling someone insane because he is stating his opinion.
Oh yeah right ,you are that guy who said Africans are idiots.
Good point Bisco.
Exactly!!!!
Yes but at the same time Guantanamo base ,with it's torturing ,exists.
You are obviously pseudo informed.
One million workers ,do you know what are you talking about...
The crisis started with a war, which we all ex Yugoslavs consider for the most stupidest and the worst thing that ever happened in our lives.
But we all know now who was arming the different sides.
About the separatism-ok 400 000 Serbs live in Chicago,would you accept if they wanted to form their own country there?
Do you know how many Bosnian people live in Sweden,what would happen if they wanted it for themselves???
Yugoslavia was a product of post WW2 peace process.
The superpowers of the time let Yugoslavia to be formed and the superpowers influenced on the collaps of Yugoslavia.
Very well put.
No, the radicals that wanted to start secession.
It was not only the case in Yugoslavia,
1- in USA there is group that want independent Texas,
2- I lived in Italy and they have a move for Padania (which represents the North very developed part).Some secessionists want to separate the Northern part from the Southern,but the law treat them extremely drastic.
3-In Spain there are terrorist groups fighting for their part of the land,that's separatism.
4-Abhazia the part of Georgia which are heading towards the independence.There is a war because of that.
All the separatism moves I mentioned are aiming at the countries stability and territorial sovereignty and that's why these radical moves are treated drastically.
I especially liked this part:
"Another common problem is that the industry can choose which data to publish, and which to leave unavailable. Much has been written on eye-catching stories, such as the difficulties in getting clear information about the number of suicide attempts in industry trials of SSRI antidepressants4 or the number of heart attacks in patients on rofecoxib (Vioxx)".
The doctors here -- those arrogant pricks 
-- like to think they are above pharma sales and marketing. However, there is absolutely no question that it completely affects the decisions they make to recommend drugs to their patients. That's why the pharma reps keep dropping the Big Benjamins on these efforts.
And many docs will be the first in line to take big pharma money if they are invited to a sponsored medical talk on a luxury golf resort.
-- like to think they are above pharma sales and marketing. However, there is absolutely no question that it completely affects the decisions they make to recommend drugs to their patients. That's why the pharma reps keep dropping the Big Benjamins on these efforts.And many docs will be the first in line to take big pharma money if they are invited to a sponsored medical talk on a luxury golf resort.
The doctors here -- those arrogant pricks -- like to think they are above pharma sales and marketing. However, there is absolutely no question that it completely affects the decisions they make to recommend drugs to their patients. That's why the pharma reps keep dropping the Big Benjamins on these efforts.
And many docs will be the first in line to take big pharma money if they are invited to a sponsored medical talk on a luxury golf resort.
-- like to think they are above pharma sales and marketing. However, there is absolutely no question that it completely affects the decisions they make to recommend drugs to their patients. That's why the pharma reps keep dropping the Big Benjamins on these efforts.And many docs will be the first in line to take big pharma money if they are invited to a sponsored medical talk on a luxury golf resort.
Not to condone that fact, but is this all you ever bring to the table, relating everything to the United States?
Yes, we get it. We're all terrorists over here. Now move along and focus on making the world a better place instead of claiming the high ground because of Guantanamo, Iraq, et cetera. People like myself are working on those horrible issues here, calling for the heads of the people that ordered and carried out these crimes.
Yes, we get it. We're all terrorists over here. Now move along and focus on making the world a better place instead of claiming the high ground because of Guantanamo, Iraq, et cetera. People like myself are working on those horrible issues here, calling for the heads of the people that ordered and carried out these crimes.
thanks mikhail
The doctors here -- those arrogant pricks -- like to think they are above pharma sales and marketing. However, there is absolutely no question that it completely affects the decisions they make to recommend drugs to their patients. That's why the pharma reps keep dropping the Big Benjamins on these efforts.
And many docs will be the first in line to take big pharma money if they are invited to a sponsored medical talk on a luxury golf resort.
-- like to think they are above pharma sales and marketing. However, there is absolutely no question that it completely affects the decisions they make to recommend drugs to their patients. That's why the pharma reps keep dropping the Big Benjamins on these efforts.And many docs will be the first in line to take big pharma money if they are invited to a sponsored medical talk on a luxury golf resort.
no doubt they would be the first in line!! if these pharmaceutical gaints can buy out senators, i would'nt be surprised if they already have teh doctors in there pockets. i never knew how strong they were up until i watch sicko and how the big pharmaceutical firms lined up the cheques to buy senators to pass by laws that go in favour of there interests even if it meant the opposite for the patients who are just the biggest losers in all of this sadly.its good to know thats how the industry is every where else cos i was under the impression it was only valid here.
a friend of mine had a father who worked in the FDA, the new york office and he told me it was such a horrible job bec what these pharmaceutical firms would flash yr way just to get sth passed is just beyond any ones imagination. the poor fella could'nt handle it and just packed up and returned back here to see the rest of his days sitting at home in cairo.
this is about the on-going case of Merck's vioxx and it goes along the same lines as the article posted by mikhail.
http://pharmatruth.blogspot.com/2009/11/mercks-vioxx-scandal-widens-drug-maker.html
and this one is the lilly case:
http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_17185.cfm
http://pharmatruth.blogspot.com/2009/11/mercks-vioxx-scandal-widens-drug-maker.html
and this one is the lilly case:
http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_17185.cfm
Ever hear of the Croatian Independence Referendum? No?
Ok, this is seriously getting hilarious. You are indoctrinated and it is beneath me to talk to the likes of you, your constant 'why? oh yeah becuase you called africans idiots' crutch solidifies this. I thought people like you had all died out, I can point you to some Born-Again Christians or Militant Islamists if you want to carry on this discussion.
You're welcome to you opinions of course, but don't expect me to take them at all seriously when you base it only on your 'brain' and what your parents tell you. I'm sure the first generation after the fall of North Koreas dictatorship will think like you and I am vehemently against your kind getting anywhere near the EU with your pseudo political beliefs that are a masquerade of bitterness and idoctrination.
Out of respect for posters like Bisco, I'll refrain from using expletives at great effort, because you are a poor excuse for a Balkan citizen, the vast majority of which are lovely people.
Apologies for the Off-Topic mods, last time I assure you
Ok, this is seriously getting hilarious. You are indoctrinated and it is beneath me to talk to the likes of you, your constant 'why? oh yeah becuase you called africans idiots' crutch solidifies this. I thought people like you had all died out, I can point you to some Born-Again Christians or Militant Islamists if you want to carry on this discussion.
You're welcome to you opinions of course, but don't expect me to take them at all seriously when you base it only on your 'brain' and what your parents tell you. I'm sure the first generation after the fall of North Koreas dictatorship will think like you and I am vehemently against your kind getting anywhere near the EU with your pseudo political beliefs that are a masquerade of bitterness and idoctrination.
Out of respect for posters like Bisco, I'll refrain from using expletives at great effort, because you are a poor excuse for a Balkan citizen, the vast majority of which are lovely people.
Apologies for the Off-Topic mods, last time I assure you
thank you for limiting the use of un-necessary insults bec there is no need for them honestly. i just need to clarify sth out here, gio is nothing like u think by the way. i dont base this on reading his posts but on the fact i have actually met gio in person and i can tell u he is a great guy and a very close friend of mine he is a person who does;nt agree to any of the wars that happened. he is also not one dimensional i'e he does'nt hold any hate towards any other balkan nations ( croats, macedonians, etc etc). you need to realize that people who have to live every day with the consquences of any war will have completely different opinions. i for one never lived in a war period ( apart from the first gulf war which was at the time sth out of a movie for me due to my obession with planes lol) but i know and i understand why u think gio's opinions are a bit out of line if u like. its totally different growing up during a war period and having to live with the consquences that come after wards. you, me, and alot of others who posted here might have never lived such events so its quite easy for us to have our own opinions that might not quite go with gio's point of view.
to give u an example away from the balkans so we can get past this, andy for example has opinions in many cases that reflect about his knowledge of what really happens in this part of the world ( middle east and in specific the palestinian - isreali issue) but in the same time vinman has his own opinion and note both are from the same nation but each one bases his opinion on what he knows and understands. i cant say one of them is wrong bec at the end of the day every one is entitled to his or her opinion and no one can force u in beliveing other wise.
we have had numerous threads like this where me, rab , and rebel had different opinions about certain issues despite teh fact we are all from the same region and its bec each one of us has his reasons and each one of us bares teh consquences of different events that have happened in the past. i cant judge rebels opinon bec he has to live with certain consquences that i have the luxury not to be part of by choice!! yes a lot of times my opinions dont sit well with rebel and vice versa but u soon realize we just have a different way at looking at things.
the bottom line is its perfectly fine to have a different opinion ( that you may be backing up with strict facts) but at the end of the day you cant judge why some one has an opinion ( even if its insane or evil ) which is quite different than yours.
we are here to support juve and thats what makes us all come here in the first place, other topics should enable us to exchange opinions with out the need to be reserved about one another and thats why i told u i dont mind if my opinion does'nt go well with u and vice versa its perfectly normal.
now back to topic. which is really worth finding out about bec it effects every one int he world bec sooner or later u tend to use medicine.