Paulo Dybala (241 Viewers)

[Nedved96]

Dybarbie, an endless pit of excuses and woulda coulda shoulda's

Let's assume we sell Dybala and build the team around 37 year old Ronaldo. At that point we are paying 60m a year for a player who is barely any better than Dybala nowadays and cannot dribble if his life depended on it (meaning he needs clear cut chances created for him). Oh, and his gigantic wages ensure that we are too limited financially to spend big money on our midfield.

What a brilliance piece of business that would be.

 

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[Elvin]

Let's assume we sell Dybala and build the team around 37 year old Ronaldo. At that point we are paying 60m a year for a player who is barely any better than Dybala nowadays and cannot dribble if his life depended on it (meaning he needs clear cut chances created for him). Oh, and his gigantic wages ensure that we are too limited financially to spend big money on our midfield.

What a brilliance piece of business that would be.

There we have another Calcio archaism - the "build the team around X player".

This is not 1980s ffs. Just build a TEAM, period. Who the fuck is Liverpool or Bayern built around?

 

[Xperd]

If possible I would be interested to know how much revenue Ronaldo individually brings to the club if it's possible. There's a reason why he's on those wages.

And also it would be interesting to see if our commercial revenue declines once he leaves.

 

[Nedved96]

There we have another Calcio archaism - the "build the team around X player".

This is not 1980s ffs. Just build a TEAM, period. Who the fuck is Liverpool or Bayern built around?

As long as Ronaldo is here, we will have to build the team around Ronaldo. That's just how it is. His popularity transcends Juventus.

Dybala is a more "normal" player. We can build a team with Dybala as just one member of the team. We can't do that with Ronaldo.

To give you one example: there is no way in hell Dybala would ever be allowed to take any free kicks if he was as shit at them as Ronaldo is.

This is because Dybala does not have a monopoly on Juventus like Ronaldo does.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Let's assume we sell Dybala and build the team around 37 year old Ronaldo. At that point we are paying 60m a year for a player who is barely any better than Dybala nowadays and cannot dribble if his life depended on it (meaning he needs clear cut chances created for him). Oh, and his gigantic wages ensure that we are too limited financially to spend big money on our midfield.

What a brilliance piece of business that would be.

You really made me laugh

 

[Nedved96]

You really made me laugh

He really isn't

Is what Ronaldo did from 2018-2021, with the team build around him, really any better than what Dybala did from 2015-2018?

It really isn't if you exclude the inflated amount of penalties he has scored ever since Serie A introduced VAR.

You are so blinded by the name "Ronaldo" that you aren't opening your eyes to the truth.

Ronaldo is a player in clear decline.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

He really isn't

Is what Ronaldo did from 2018-2021, with the team build around him, really any better than what Dybala did from 2015-2018?

It really isn't if you exclude the inflated amount of penalties he has scored ever since Serie A introduced VAR.

You are so blinded by the name "Ronaldo" that you aren't opening your eyes to the truth.

Ronaldo is a player in clear decline.

Team was not built around ronaldo if it was they would have shipped out this pansy and brought lukaku.
Also who has the most goals in serie a excluding penalties, if i am blind you are lobotomized in a coma.

 

[Nedved96]

Team was not built around ronaldo if it was they would have shipped out this pansy and brought lukaku.
Also who has the most goals in serie a excluding penalties, if i am blind you are lobotomized in a coma.

Lukaku would not work with Ronaldo. Ronaldo works better with forwards who work as foils (Benzema and Mandzukic) than he does with forwards who are out-and-out strikers.

Ronaldo has monopoly of all the penalties and free kicks (despite being absolutely abysmal at fks). Ronaldo is immune from getting benched no matter how poorly he plays. Ronaldo has a status at Juventus that Dybala never did. Hell, Ronaldo has a status at Juventus that even Del Piero never did.

As long as Ronaldo is here, we will never build a team. If you look at actual teams like Bayern Munich and Manchester City, not one individual player bigger than the team itself.

 

[GrandeGigi]

The Ronaldo or Dybala conversation is a moot point. There will be no takers for Ronaldo and there could be a market for Dybala meaning if one has to be moved on it will be Dybala.

 

[LiquidPLP]

You can't score if you don't play. Shit, at his age and his soyboy genetics I'm not at all convinced that we will see a top player from him again.

He's a tactical conundrum when he's fit, but he's an even bigger conundrum for the mercato. Are we really going to give him a big contract this summer, or will we cash in on him whilst we still have something left to? If we give him a €10m contract and he's lame then he almost decides our next two seasons before they even kick off, because he takes up funds and squad role, meaning an inferior player has to play in his place, or Kulusevski has to play another season as a support striker, and our attack gets killed by lack of rotation and fitness come February. If we sell him for a discount €30m or whatever and he goes somewhere and is mostly fit and scores 25 goals then we look like the biggest joke in football. Who would be a sporting director?

I've gone from loving to hating Dybala and back again so many times over that I almost stopped caring now. He doesn't work well with Ronaldo, and his fitness is a huge concern. If we go into next season with both him and Ronaldo as the main attackers then I expect more of the same for next season.

I think the people who want Dybala to stay and be the main striker with Ronaldo are doing it out of hope as much as anything else, and fondness for a player who at his best is brilliant and has been decisive for us so many times. I see him staying, but I don't share the same hope that he's going to be that player in this set up. I'd be happy if he could score 12 goals per season in total from now on. I also like our wing-based attack, but we need some variation to go short and link to midfield. How does Cuadrado and Chiesa even work with Ronaldo, Dybala and Morata? 3-4-1-2?

This issue is probably the most difficult to deal with for the upcoming Summer. Do we keep CR7 or Dybala? I very much doubt we'll keep both.

There is also another option: to cash in on both, get a classy CF to compete with Morata and go vanilla 433. That would require to buy another winger probably but also would give huge room for improving the midfield.

Tough decision to make and one of many in near future.

 

[Brny44]

If we would build team around dyb, we would have 11 injured players on the pitch. Its not his fault that he brakes faster than motorola glass. Its the ones who pays him. His contribution is like paratici's. None

 

[Elvin]

Lukaku would not work with Ronaldo. Ronaldo works better with forwards who work as foils (Benzema and Mandzukic) than he does with forwards who are out-and-out strikers.

Ronaldo has monopoly of all the penalties and free kicks (despite being absolutely abysmal at fks). Ronaldo is immune from getting benched no matter how poorly he plays. Ronaldo has a status at Juventus that Dybala never did. Hell, Ronaldo has a status at Juventus that even Del Piero never did.

As long as Ronaldo is here, we will never build a team. If you look at actual teams like Bayern Munich and Manchester City, not one individual player bigger than the team itself.

Its not Ronaldos fault that Juventus as a club has an inferiority complex. If our club doestn have the balls to order him not to take FKs anymore thats on the club not Ronaldo. Our archaic ways are at fault not Ronaldo.

 

[Nedved96]

If we would build team around dyb, we would have 11 injured players on the pitch. Its not his fault that he brakes faster than motorola glass. Its the ones who pays him. His contribution is like paratici's. None

We don't have to build anything around Dybala.

Dybala can be a useful addition to the team but we don't have to build around him.

Dybala can be subbed if he's playing badly. Dybala can be benched if he's in poor form. We can take Dybala off free kicks if he keeps hitting the wall, etc...

That's the fundamental difference between Ronaldo and Dybala, and why I would rather keep Dybala than Ronaldo.

 

[Lion]

Man. This shitting on dybala because he doesnt put "effort" and is a "diva" is so similar to how some fans treated pogba in his last year.

In his last year so many fans gave shit to pogba because he was too moody or fancy and not enough substance in big games.

@Osman @JCK @ALC @Xperd you guys remember?

Now we all begging for Pogba back.

Cant wait to see how many of you complain about attack lacking flair when dybala isnt replaced properly

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[ALC]

Man. This shitting on dybala because he doesnt put "effort" and is a "diva" is so similar to how some fans treated pogba in his last year.

In his last year so many fans gave shit to pogba because he was too moody or fancy and not enough substance in big games.

@Osman @JCK @ALC @Xperd you guys remember?

Now we all begging for Pogba back.

Cant wait to see how many of you complain about attack lacking flair when dybala isnt replaced properly

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yeah agreed. Dybala is a talent and the whole team has been playing like shit, he’s not utilized properly imo. Meaning we need better coaching

 

[BayernFan]

I have a serious question

What did Ronaldo do for you guys that made him deserve to take all the FK's without being replaced with another for that role? Penalties I get that, he's good at them

But FK's? And why is it you can't sub him out?

You gotta show him it's not Ronaldo FC but Juventus FC

No player is bigger than the club ffs

 

[Elvin]

I have a serious question

What did Ronaldo do for you guys that made him deserve to take all the FK's without being replaced with another for that role? Penalties I get that, he's good at them

But FK's? And why is it you can't sub him out?

You gotta show him it's not Ronaldo FC but Juventus FC

No player is bigger than the club ffs

We have become a pussy club sadly.

 

[BayernFan]

We have become a pussy club sadly.

I know this wouldn't be accepted at Bayern, I mean a player being untouchable

They're just told to get in line or fuck off, our management as well don't have any problem about roasting our players in the media

That is maybe too much, but that's just how it is

 

[Elvin]

I know this wouldn't be accepted at Bayern, I mean a player being untouchable

They're just told to get in line or fuck off, our management as well don't have any problem about roasting our players in the media

That is maybe too much, but that's just how it is

And Bayern are clearly right doing that. As can be seen from their success.

 

[BayernFan]

And Bayern are clearly right doing that. As can be seen from their success.

Ronaldo might have deserved this treatment in Real for what he did there, but he was in a new club with a hierarchy and roles, like Pjanic taking free kicks and so

Ronaldo should earn the right to take free kicks, not the other way around