Bro, dont take this popularity shit too sensitively, like I said it's not even Bayern's fault. Believe me, every single one of us would rather have your number of CL titles over our global appeal.
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As a fellow Scandinavian, its obvious its EPL/Barca/Real first, but then clear and most wide spread 3rd is Serie A teams. I known and met countless Serie A fans here, Juve and Milan mainly, and few sprinkled out for the rest of the league, Inter, Roma, Fioretina etc.
But never ever met or talked to a Bundesliga fan in all my life in Sweden. Except one time, a Borussia Dortmund fan. They were his second team. His first team was Fiorentina.
Team success has nothing to do with it, but truthfully its hard to see Bundesliga have a sustained support internationally like Serie A sides have had, barely know anyone who regularly watch their league etc. Its another matter compared to the many who grew up with Serie A etc. While Bundesliga team exposure mainly been the CL games, or watching eurosport euro goal highlights etc.
Even online, I think the bayern fans posting in this forum is one of the rare encounters I had with bundesliga fans who aren't German (im 20 years member of XT, international forum for all sides, and primarily the Bundesliga fans there were germans or balkan posters who live there etc).
But never ever met or talked to a Bundesliga fan in all my life in Sweden. Except one time, a Borussia Dortmund fan. They were his second team. His first team was Fiorentina.
Team success has nothing to do with it, but truthfully its hard to see Bundesliga have a sustained support internationally like Serie A sides have had, barely know anyone who regularly watch their league etc. Its another matter compared to the many who grew up with Serie A etc. While Bundesliga team exposure mainly been the CL games, or watching eurosport euro goal highlights etc.
Even online, I think the bayern fans posting in this forum is one of the rare encounters I had with bundesliga fans who aren't German (im 20 years member of XT, international forum for all sides, and primarily the Bundesliga fans there were germans or balkan posters who live there etc).
People underestimate just how big Serie A used to be. And for the longest time was the only league with 3 global super clubs of equal prestige (with MU, Pool in Eng; Real, Barça in Spain, and only Bayern in Ger).
Calciopoli and years of mediocrity that followed made it lose it's appeal and popularity to EPL and LaLiga but it is and probably will be a top 3 league in football forever.
Calciopoli and years of mediocrity that followed made it lose it's appeal and popularity to EPL and LaLiga but it is and probably will be a top 3 league in football forever.
I think it's fair to say that all this is based on assumptions and not facts, so @Elvin unless you can back it up that Juventus, Milan and Inter have more appeal than Bayern then I will just take it for what it is - assumptions. 
I said it myself that Juventus have been in the top flight for longer than Bayern, I made it clear that Serie A historically have been a superior league to the Bundesliga, no doubt.
But this thing about Bayern having less appeal than these mentioned clubs, I simply don't see it. You have to understand that just because you lack a natural domestic rival does it not mean you can't have a great appeal, just take a look at PSG for instance. The only thing that matters in terms of appeal is one and only one thing; winning, winning, winning and winning. You can disagree about this but as long as you stay at the top will you always be an attractive club both for players and fans.
CL is along with PL the biggest window for succes in terms of marketing (bar individual players). And as Bayern have been so consistent in the CL for a very long time did it make up for the less competitive and attractive German league, hence Bayern always had a big appeal worldwide because they were shown in the TV against the best clubs from other parts of Europe pretty much every year.
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Funny how it can be so different from Denmark to Sweden.
I said it myself that Juventus have been in the top flight for longer than Bayern, I made it clear that Serie A historically have been a superior league to the Bundesliga, no doubt.
But this thing about Bayern having less appeal than these mentioned clubs, I simply don't see it. You have to understand that just because you lack a natural domestic rival does it not mean you can't have a great appeal, just take a look at PSG for instance. The only thing that matters in terms of appeal is one and only one thing; winning, winning, winning and winning. You can disagree about this but as long as you stay at the top will you always be an attractive club both for players and fans.
CL is along with PL the biggest window for succes in terms of marketing (bar individual players). And as Bayern have been so consistent in the CL for a very long time did it make up for the less competitive and attractive German league, hence Bayern always had a big appeal worldwide because they were shown in the TV against the best clubs from other parts of Europe pretty much every year.
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Funny how it can be so different from Denmark to Sweden.
I haven't watched enough Juventus games to be able to make a fair comparison and Götze today is not even a shadow of what he was back in the day - but I can try to give an opinion.
To me it seems Dybala is much better at striking the ball, be it from distance or free kicks. Götze seemed to have better close control of the ball and better dribbling skills, more flair so to speak in tight spaces. I still remember a goal he scored against CSKA Moscow in 2013, that was insane and showed which talent he had.
I'll give you a link to the goal in the Bundesliga thread.
In terms of pure talent/mentality? Today it's obviously Dybala as Götze totally dissapeared. But when he first broke through in Dortmund he looked to be the next big thing, greater than Dybala I would say.
Götze scored in the WC final and he will always be remembered for that even if his career has gone more than south since 2016.
To me it seems Dybala is much better at striking the ball, be it from distance or free kicks. Götze seemed to have better close control of the ball and better dribbling skills, more flair so to speak in tight spaces. I still remember a goal he scored against CSKA Moscow in 2013, that was insane and showed which talent he had.
I'll give you a link to the goal in the Bundesliga thread.
In terms of pure talent/mentality? Today it's obviously Dybala as Götze totally dissapeared. But when he first broke through in Dortmund he looked to be the next big thing, greater than Dybala I would say.
Götze scored in the WC final and he will always be remembered for that even if his career has gone more than south since 2016.
He had 11 goals and 11 assists for 33 games.
Duvan Zapata got 18 goals and 7 assists in 28 games.
Josip Ilicic got 15 goals and 8 assists in 26 games.
Immobile - 36 goals and 8 assists in 37 games
Ronaldo - 31 goals and 6 assists in 33 games.
How was Dybala MVP of the season? His award is a complete BS.
Duvan Zapata got 18 goals and 7 assists in 28 games.
Josip Ilicic got 15 goals and 8 assists in 26 games.
Immobile - 36 goals and 8 assists in 37 games
Ronaldo - 31 goals and 6 assists in 33 games.
How was Dybala MVP of the season? His award is a complete BS.