Paul Pogba (158 Viewers)

[Hist]

Source for Mou calling him that?

This is not the same team lol. Cavani, Telles, VDB, Maguire, Wanbissaka, this is half their starting lineup along with Bruno that arrived last 2 summers. Plus kids like Rashford and Greenwood that grew and improved. Or was that because of BF? Bruno played every game 90 minutes in this seasons CL group stage. Pogba got subbed in 4 times and started once. Result? They lost 3 games in which Pogba played a combined 74 minutes, combined result with him on the pitch 2-1 ManU, with him on the bench 2-7. Only one of those games vs Paris, the other two vs Leipzig and Istanbul BB. They went out in group stage as favorites. In the Premier league they win like 1,9 pts when hes on the pitch, and 1,7 when hes not. Laat season since Bruno arrived, they win 1,57 with Pogba off the pitch vs 2,77 with him on the pitch, on a smaller sample size though compared to this season. Even if you include Pogbas pre-Bruno minutes, its still in his favor.

If you say Bruno improved the team: 16/17 69pts plus 2 trophies, 17/18 81pts, passed GS, 18/19 66pts, passed GS, 19/20 66pts EL, 20/21 74 pts, out in GS. These are all seasons since Pogba arrived. So where is the improvement that Brunos leadership brought?

Pogba has more freedom in his game for France, he doesnt have as many defensive duties as in Manu, which is why you have the perception hes better. Its not because he has more WC players around him, that is something the team benefits from, its simply the role. In Manu he plays a more defensive role, further from the goal and less freedom to roam, and since you fall for the usual stat sheets and dont watch them play, you think hes not as good, when in reality he has other tactical responsibilites.

Its not just a perception. He is better for France without the full spotlight on him, and with folks like Kante covering for his weaknesses. You are correct his tactical role is more limited at France due to their superior players that can cover for his weaknesses. I dont understand how this is a point in his favor. Saying that he suffers if you give him any defensive responsibilities is showing him as a very limited midfielder. He is lacking in a key aspect of being a top class box to box or central midfielder and doesnt make it up in his offensive contributions. He is no Pirlo or Xavi where his strengths are so insane to outweigh the risk of having him on the team. In France he just happens to luckily have a once in a lifetime ball winner that does the job of two players.


Thats not the question though, the question is whether he lifts others around him and improves his team (i.e a leader). I used Bruno as a player who clearly had an impact on the entire club and has been recognized for it. Your attempt to say that Pogba has had a more felt impact on the pitch compared to Bruno as an individual or on the group is really outstanding. I dont have time to deep dive into the data, anyone who even remotely follows united knows that Pogba has been a disappointment while Bruno has been a Godsend for them. There is a reason one got stripped of his vice captaincy and is derided by a good portion of the fandom and another got given the vice captaincy very quickly upon arrival and is worshiped.

 

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[Post Ironic]

Pogba literally sucks ass at ManU and his lazy ass strolling around the pitch, failing to mark his man, and not giving two shits to track back has cost them numerous goals conceded, and numerous points. He’s a clown, which is a major reason that a large percentage of United fans who actually watch their matches, unlike Zizi, hate him and want him gone. He’s trash for them.

He had Vidal here doing the work of two players to cover for him, and he had Kante in the NT doing the same. He sucks balls when he doesn’t have someone doing half of what should be his job.

 

[Siamak]

He moved it cause he's against alcohol and is copying Ronaldo?

Pogba isn't copying anyone. His Muslim and doesn't drink beer? He puts it aside as he doesn't believe in it.

 

[Elvin]

His Muslim and doesn't drink beer? He puts it aside as he doesn't believe in it.

Beer exists, it doesn't require to be believed in. Unlike Allah.

 

[Siamak]

lol

 

[Siamak]

he gained my utter respect and Locatelli, did the same in his postmatch interview with the coca cola bottle. This might be becoming a trend.

 

[s4tch]

he gained my utter respect and Locatelli, did the same in his postmatch interview with the coca cola bottle. This might be becoming a trend.

and there's always someone who takes it to the next level:

 

[Elvin]

he gained my utter respect and Locatelli, did the same in his postmatch interview with the coca cola bottle. This might be becoming a trend.

Good. Coca-cola is poison. I am addicted myself.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

he gained my utter respect and Locatelli, did the same in his postmatch interview with the coca cola bottle. This might be becoming a trend.

Are they going to give back income generated through heineken and coca cola? Do these morons know how the world works and why they get paid so much?

 

[Siamak]

Good. Coca-cola is poison. I am addicted myself.

alcohol too.

 

[Elvin]

alcohol too.

both should definitely be available and legal but definitely not promoted.

 

[Siamak]

Are they going to give back income generated through heineken and coca cola? Do these morons know how the world works and why they get paid so much?

power of a footballer. $4bn Drop after the end of the conference. these things are garbage and harmful .
they care about other's health and not letting a huge company get free advertising.

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both should definitely be available and legal but definitely not promoted.

shit is always available but should not be promoted

 

[GordoDeCentral]

power of a footballer. $4bn Drop after the end of the conference. these things are garbage and harmful .
they care about other's health and not letting a huge company get free advertising.

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shit is always available but should not be promoted

Free advertising? you got me there lord Siamak, masterful trolling

 

[Siamak]

I'm starting to like this guy

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Free advertising? you got me there lord Siamak, masterful trolling

Coke cola must of paid loads for their bottles to be there

 

[zizinho]

Its not just a perception. He is better for France without the full spotlight on him, and with folks like Kante covering for his weaknesses. You are correct his tactical role is more limited at France due to their superior players that can cover for his weaknesses. I dont understand how this is a point in his favor. Saying that he suffers if you give him any defensive responsibilities is showing him as a very limited midfielder. He is lacking in a key aspect of being a top class box to box or central midfielder and doesnt make it up in his offensive contributions. He is no Pirlo or Xavi where his strengths are so insane to outweigh the risk of having him on the team. In France he just happens to luckily have a once in a lifetime ball winner that does the job of two players.


Thats not the question though, the question is whether he lifts others around him and improves his team (i.e a leader). I used Bruno as a player who clearly had an impact on the entire club and has been recognized for it. Your attempt to say that Pogba has had a more felt impact on the pitch compared to Bruno as an individual or on the group is really outstanding. I dont have time to deep dive into the data, anyone who even remotely follows united knows that Pogba has been a disappointment while Bruno has been a Godsend for them. There is a reason one got stripped of his vice captaincy and is derided by a good portion of the fandom and another got given the vice captaincy very quickly upon arrival and is worshiped.

Im not saying he suffers, please read correctly what i say. Im saying in ManU, he usually plays in a double pivot in a 4231. He has a more restricted role, he has 4 players jnfront of him. At France he has 3, here he had 2-3. Do you understand the difference or i need to get a chalkboard? It has nothing to do with the players, it has to do eith the role hes asked to play. And you have to judge him within that role, not visit stat sites after games and draw baseless conclussions. But watch him play. If you dont, then there is no point discussing, youre no different than PI just going by popular belief.

Again, does Bruno make those around him better? And how? I just showed you the team having no visible progress during the last few years, despite Bruno. And i showed you that the team wins more with Pogba jn the lineup than with Pogba out. It wasnt a Pogba vs Bruno post, it was just to refute your argument that Pogba has been there for long and couldnt lift the team, while now Bruno does it. So if you make claims you need to back them up. You say Bruno makes those around him better? Who? In what way? Hes a leader and carries the team? Results show youre wrong, or they dont matter now? Until you can prove those otherwise youre just making statements without any substance

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Pogba literally sucks ass at ManU and his lazy ass strolling around the pitch, failing to mark his man, and not giving two shits to track back has cost them numerous goals conceded, and numerous points. He’s a clown, which is a major reason that a large percentage of United fans who actually watch their matches, unlike Zizi, hate him and want him gone. He’s trash for them.

He had Vidal here doing the work of two players to cover for him, and he had Kante in the NT doing the same. He sucks balls when he doesn’t have someone doing half of what should be his job.

If you simply read my post youd see youre 100% wrong
Vidal in 15/16 was indeed amazing for us, changed shirt number to 11 and decided to play infront of defense for a change

 

[JuveE46]

Its not just a perception. He is better for France without the full spotlight on him, and with folks like Kante covering for his weaknesses. You are correct his tactical role is more limited at France due to their superior players that can cover for his weaknesses. I dont understand how this is a point in his favor. Saying that he suffers if you give him any defensive responsibilities is showing him as a very limited midfielder. He is lacking in a key aspect of being a top class box to box or central midfielder and doesnt make it up in his offensive contributions. He is no Pirlo or Xavi where his strengths are so insane to outweigh the risk of having him on the team. In France he just happens to luckily have a once in a lifetime ball winner that does the job of two players.


Thats not the question though, the question is whether he lifts others around him and improves his team (i.e a leader). I used Bruno as a player who clearly had an impact on the entire club and has been recognized for it. Your attempt to say that Pogba has had a more felt impact on the pitch compared to Bruno as an individual or on the group is really outstanding. I dont have time to deep dive into the data, anyone who even remotely follows united knows that Pogba has been a disappointment while Bruno has been a Godsend for them. There is a reason one got stripped of his vice captaincy and is derided by a good portion of the fandom and another got given the vice captaincy very quickly upon arrival and is worshiped.

Exactly and everyone already knows this except pogba fanboys, this guy said it the best, and this analysis is for the character and style of pogba not just that particular season.

Pogba fanboys don't watch keep writing your essays better yet write books about it feed into your own delusion

Minute 5:00 to about 9:30 spot on

 

[.zero]

Glad to see the dybala thread before there was a dybala thread is alive and well

 

[Siamak]

 

[kappa96]

Lewa wasn't blocking that muc

Very hard to take you serious after this.
He wasn't blocking that much as if offside is call by the amount of blocking being done.

 

[Mokku]

We got Pogba for less than 1M and he exceeded expectations. United got him for 100M+ and has disappointed. Forget about Pogba's real worth, Raiola proved to be the greatest agent ever.

I've dived deep into the world of Tuz and found many strange things. People hate Pogba but don't acknowledge that he's better than what we currently have, nobody gives alternatives to Pogba, some say Kante is a better player but too old for Juve so they don't want him here - who meets the Juve standards then if world class Kante and Pogba aren't for us?