True, it set us back a decade, though admittedly with Capello at helm.. I'm not sure we had a chance.
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I think the depressing thing about this Pogba situation is that it follows the Vidal situation too. Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich and even PSG don't sell their best players at or before their prime. I can't think of an example where that was the case. Real Madrid have sold players they perhaps shouldn't have but that was because they didn't rate them high enough (Higuain, Di Maria etc). But they never sold their best.
It would seem we still have some way to go before we get to that level of "premium"
It would seem we still have some way to go before we get to that level of "premium"
You can't block players from transferring... none of the good players would ever come. You either have a policy that you will accommodate players when they ask to leave OR players will demand an exit clause. In Juve's case, they have the policy likely because they feel that they can get better pricing than an exit clause.
Real Madrid, Barca, etc. all have similar policies. Exit clauses are mandatory but they put stupid amounts there like 1 billion lol. In the end, they allow a player to leave if he asks to.
Bayern and PSG are the only two clubs that actively block players. PSG does this by giving its players huge wages in exchange for waiving this right. Bayern does it by targeting German, Bundi, young up-and-coming players or late prime ones who aren't worried about the next move. You rarely see a very high level young player that has other options move to Bayern unless he's German or in Bundi already. Robben, Vidal and Alonso are the ones I remember that were outside Bayern's typical recruiting circles.. Robben went there because it was, by far, his best option after all the injuries. Vidal's best offer was also Bayern and you had Pep to lure him. Alonso was going into his last contract anyhow so he wasn't looking past Bayern.... and again, there was Pep.
So i don't think Juve have much of a choice. It's a profession. Players want to get paid. Juve can only keep its super elite talents if it can pay the required compensation.
Real Madrid, Barca, etc. all have similar policies. Exit clauses are mandatory but they put stupid amounts there like 1 billion lol. In the end, they allow a player to leave if he asks to.
Bayern and PSG are the only two clubs that actively block players. PSG does this by giving its players huge wages in exchange for waiving this right. Bayern does it by targeting German, Bundi, young up-and-coming players or late prime ones who aren't worried about the next move. You rarely see a very high level young player that has other options move to Bayern unless he's German or in Bundi already. Robben, Vidal and Alonso are the ones I remember that were outside Bayern's typical recruiting circles.. Robben went there because it was, by far, his best option after all the injuries. Vidal's best offer was also Bayern and you had Pep to lure him. Alonso was going into his last contract anyhow so he wasn't looking past Bayern.... and again, there was Pep.
So i don't think Juve have much of a choice. It's a profession. Players want to get paid. Juve can only keep its super elite talents if it can pay the required compensation.
You can put PSG aside but with the rest of the group. Then yes, we're are a tier behind. We can learn a lot from the top 3. We're not too far off but we have forgotten how quickly we have closed the gap and become a WC team in such a short period. Maybe winning the CL will give us identity make us realise and every player out there that we are a true force to reckon with. However it's our self esteem. Ultimately that is what it comes down to. Self worth, how big we see ourselves.
Reaching the champions league final 2 years ago was a huge lift for the team's profile. A win would truly send us up yet another level. This club needs to win it and there is no reason why we shouldn't. Our team with Pogba in it, would have truly been scary for any adversary. Without it, we may miss something. The thing about Pogba that will most be missed from my point of view is that he was unpredictable, strong and he could play at high intensity for the full 90min when other mids would show signs of tiring. His athleticism counts a lot over the course of a season.
True. It's not like we won the CL with Zidane.
But we didn't sell Zidane to buy the trio. We sold Zidane to buy Buffon and a half of Nedved. We had to sell Inzaghi, Kovacevic and add some more cash for the other half of Nedved and for Thuram.
Wasn't bad business, but CL wise it still stands that Zidane and Inzaghi were instrumental in 3 CL titles after this, while our guys didn't win anything in Europe.
But we didn't sell Zidane to buy the trio. We sold Zidane to buy Buffon and a half of Nedved. We had to sell Inzaghi, Kovacevic and add some more cash for the other half of Nedved and for Thuram.
Wasn't bad business, but CL wise it still stands that Zidane and Inzaghi were instrumental in 3 CL titles after this, while our guys didn't win anything in Europe.
I actually hope that the Milan clubs can do a lot better with better management and better financiers. That is quite important for Serie A.
Serie A is what is dragging us down right now. Need the league to be better, need stadiums to be built etc, need Serie A to have 4 spots in the champions league and need other Italian teams doing well in the champions league and europa league.
FIGC should think of ways to make the scheduling such, so that it gives teams participating in Europe bye weeks so that have extra preperation time. I know nobody else does that, but so what? You need to find every little advantage you can to raise the profile of the league by doing whatever it takes.
Serie A is what is dragging us down right now. Need the league to be better, need stadiums to be built etc, need Serie A to have 4 spots in the champions league and need other Italian teams doing well in the champions league and europa league.
FIGC should think of ways to make the scheduling such, so that it gives teams participating in Europe bye weeks so that have extra preperation time. I know nobody else does that, but so what? You need to find every little advantage you can to raise the profile of the league by doing whatever it takes.
It is a great piece of business for us.
The costs involved for Pogba ,wages included exceeds more than half of our turnover.
We're a big club but we're 2nd tier financially. I thought people would know and understand that. If you gotta place yourselves among the top clubs of the world , we need elite finances otherwise we're just going find ourselves in the bracket below elite clubs which is our positioning as of now.
You can say selling Pogba doesn't help that cause but we're at a stage that can neither offer wages offered by United nor can we reject massive offers such as this.
The costs involved for Pogba ,wages included exceeds more than half of our turnover.
We're a big club but we're 2nd tier financially. I thought people would know and understand that. If you gotta place yourselves among the top clubs of the world , we need elite finances otherwise we're just going find ourselves in the bracket below elite clubs which is our positioning as of now.
You can say selling Pogba doesn't help that cause but we're at a stage that can neither offer wages offered by United nor can we reject massive offers such as this.
