Paul Pogba (217 Viewers)

[Quetzalcoatl]

I think no one is doing that?. Where you got that idea?.

All of us want him to stay because he is good...is just that no way in hell he is worth 14o miks...not even close.

People are changing their tunes. Now he's overrated and won't be missed that much

 

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[KB824]

And I think you're exaggerating the effects of losing Pogba.

And this is coming from a guy who thought Pogba was the best midfielder in football for the last 2-3 months of this past season.

If we get a couple mids, say Herrera and Matic, or something along those lines, I think this team is improved.

Adding into the starting XI:

Herrera + Matic + Higuain + Alves

makes us better than this season with:

Mandzukic/Morata + Pogba

It's all hypothetical though. We don't know Pogba is leaving. We don't know what mids we would replace him with, and so on. Wait and see is the best option now. Either way, I refuse to meltdown this summer. I did that enough last summer, between losing a CL final, and losing the core of our midfield and attack.

Stop stealing my shit, man

 

[AndreaCristiano]

@DelPiero84 said we can't replace pogs and you said he were overrating him? So please I wonder who u would rate enough to take Pogs place?

That's not the point of my post but we can insert Rakitic for one but it's not like for like many players can fit in our system and add different dimensions

 

[AndreaCristiano]

People are changing their tunes. Now he's overrated and won't be missed that much

Never said that. Not over rated but definitely not Zidane level

 

[Vlad]

And I think you're exaggerating the effects of losing Pogba.

And this is coming from a guy who thought Pogba was the best midfielder in football for the last 2-3 months of this past season.

If we get a couple mids, say Herrera and Matic, or something along those lines, I think this team is improved.

Adding into the starting XI:

Herrera + Matic + Higuain + Alves

makes us better than this season with:

Mandzukic/Morata + Pogba

It's all hypothetical though. We don't know Pogba is leaving. We don't know what mids we would replace him with, and so on. Wait and see is the best option now. Either way, I refuse to meltdown this summer. I did that enough last summer, between losing a CL final, and losing the core of our midfield and attack.

Let's not forget Alves in 2nd setup and I disagree.

Morata/Mandzo Pogba Alves > Higuain Herrera Matic Alves

Matic is significant downgrade to Pogba, almost as much as Mandzo is to Higgs. But we wouldn't have to change set up, which has been our strength over the years.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Never said that. Not over rated but definitely not Zidane level

You said he's overrated because DP84 said he's not easily replaceable

 

[Post Ironic]

Let's not forget Alves in 2nd setup and I disagree.

Morata Mandzo Pogba Alves > Higuain Herrera Matic Alves

Matic is significant downgrade to Pogba, almost as much as Mandzo is to Higgs. But we wouldn't have to change set up, which has been our strength over the years.

You can't include Morata and Mandzu. It's one or the other

I don't think we have to change formation at all, either. Herrera would be a fantastic Pogba replacement. Obviously a step down in quality, but a fantastic signing nevertheless. Which is why we probably won't get him

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Not at all. He had 21 g&a last season and averages 2.2 tackles, 1.4 interceptions. According to some here Mascherano is the worlds best DM and he had 2.6 tackles and 2.2 interceptions.

Vidal had better numbers before his injury

 

[AndreaCristiano]

You said he's overrated because DP84 said he's not easily replaceable

Bs never said those words. Just said he was slightly over rating him to the level of Zidane

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

The problem is that you can't just replace player like Pogba without changing formation. He's equally good in both phases of the game. His average amount of tackles and interceptions per game is of the DM of the highest quality and he regularly assists and scores in addition to that.

I think you slightly over rate Paul

Okay Andrea

 

[GordoDeCentral]

To me, It's only a good job if they take the money left over from this sale minus the Higuain purchase and use it towards replenishing the midfield with a Box to Box , and a Defensive Midfielder.


That, combined with Higuain, Pjanic, Alves, Benatia, and Pjaca would lend one to say "good job"


Herrera and Matic, or a package similar to this, and I will be absolutely over the moon with this Mercato, in spite of losing 2 of my favorite players from last year's squad

Nah higuain purchase is not good job yet, how we replace him are other transaction to be treated individually, and if course at the end of the Mercato we will see the big picture.

 

[Ahmedou]

We can't replace Pogs with a player of the same quality. Simply because there is none who offers as much variety, technique and stamania.

But we can get better with alternative system. Higuain will hugely uppgrade our striking abilites. And Alves is already an uppgrade on Licht.

We need to keep Cuadrado and get another creative midfielder. If there is enough moeny to bring in Witsel as well, it would be good. But not the most important. We have many good CM with Marchisio, Khedira, Asamoah, Pjanic... We need a real trequartista. My choice would be Draxler.

 

[michel]

Not at all. He had 21 g&a last season and averages 2.2 tackles, 1.4 interceptions. According to some here Mascherano is the worlds best DM and he had 2.6 tackles and 2.2 interceptions.

Ok, for startes you shouldn't interpret/present some numbers or facts in the way that suits your argument. Mascherano averaged this numbers while playing as a CB and not as a DM, you can check his stats from his last Liverpool season and you will see what world-class DM stats look like, and is way above 2.2/1.4 that you have mentioned above.

 

[king Ale]

People are changing their tunes. Now he's overrated and won't be missed that much

They try to cope

Before Higuain's news became serious, I thought no player would be worth fighting for if 1) they wanna go and 2) we get 120m in return. Now that we're paying +90m for Higuain, i just don't think Pogba's deal is that good a deal anymore

 

[KB824]

They try to cope

Before Higuain's news became serious, I thought no player would be worth fighting for if 1) they wanna go and 2) we get 120m in return. Now that we're paying +90m for Higuain, i just don't think Pogba's deal is that good a deal anymore

I think that if you are looking at it in that context, then no, player for player it probably isn't.

But I think that if you were to take a poll and say to them "We are going to lose Pogba and Morata, but we are going to get Alves, Pjaca, Pjanic, Higuain, and Benatia, and still be in the black, or close to it"

I think a lot of people would be cool with that. It's just that the two biggest transfers are happening virtually simultaneously to one another, so it probably skews the big picture a little.

And if Juve were to somehow get another couple of midfielders, given that either Mandzukic or Zaza, plus Pererya are most likely going to be sold, then I think the general consensus would be that this team has improved over last year's model. Which I think is the logical wish of any of us.

 

[Vlad]

Ok, for startes you shouldn't interpret/present some numbers or facts in the way that suits your argument. Mascherano averaged this numbers while playing as a CB and not as a DM, you can check his stats from his last Liverpool season and you will see what world-class DM stats look like, and is way above 2.2/1.4 that you have mentioned above.

I don't use stats from kick and rush league, where one Kante has 5 tackles and 4 interceptions per game. The number of unforced errors per game is off the charts, which has impact on defensive stats of players.

Busquets 2.9 tackles, 1.9 interceptions
Radja 1.8, 1.2

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

They try to cope

Before Higuain's news became serious, I thought no player would be worth fighting for if 1) they wanna go and 2) we get 120m in return. Now that we're paying +90m for Higuain, i just don't think Pogba's deal is that good a deal anymore

It was never a good deal for me in the first place. He's only going to increase in value, so a sale now is not getting the most out of him.


And I'm no Higuain fan, but I can see the benefits of having a reliable goal scorer in the team in our quest to win CL. Maybe we can make it out of the group stage without suffering for once

 

[duranfj]

We can't replace Pogs with a player of the same quality. Simply because there is none who offers as much variety, technique and stamania.

But we can get better with alternative system. Higuain will hugely uppgrade our striking abilites. And Alves is already an uppgrade on Licht.

We need to keep Cuadrado and get another creative midfielder. If there is enough moeny to bring in Witsel as well, it would be good. But not the most important. We have many good CM with Marchisio, Khedira, Asamoah, Pjanic... We need a real trequartista. My choice would be Draxler.

I can't do this again... Why? Why did u bring Draxler here? This is a new meltdown, don't mixed with last year meltdown cuz it would remind us that we did pass Draxler and get Hernanes instead

 

[PhRoZeN]

I think that if you are looking at it in that context, then no, player for player it probably isn't.

But I think that if you were to take a poll and say to them "We are going to lose Pogba and Morata, but we are going to get Alves, Pjaca, Pjanic, Higuain, and Benatia, and still be in the black, or close to it"

I think a lot of people would be cool with that. It's just that the two biggest transfers are happening virtually simultaneously to one another, so it probably skews the big picture a little.

And if Juve were to somehow get another couple of midfielders, given that either Mandzukic or Zaza, plus Pererya are most likely going to be sold, then I think the general consensus would be that this team has improved over last year's model. Which I think is the logical wish of any of us.

What worries me the most is that that there is a lot of changes. A lot of changes even for the better wont go down well for stability and our initial first part of the season. Were ok for serie A, as weve proven we came back, but whats to say this doesnt affect our CL performances in group stages.

 

[duranfj]

Nah higuain purchase is not good job yet, how we replace him are other transaction to be treated individually, and if course at the end of the Mercato we will see the big picture.

But losing two 23yo WC potential player (whom could be top 5 in their position next decade) it makes so god damn hard to picture it... Let's trust Beppe and Paratici on this