Paul Pogba (115 Viewers)

[Zacheryah]

Also, its genuinly true that attacking players cost exponentially more.

However, this is excellent for juventus.


Buffon is actually a good example. What team on earth would pay 50million for a goalkeeper ? expecially considering inflation ?

What if you got a buffon quality fullback ?


See, very few teams will actually spend huge amounts on non attacking players. wich makes it better for juventus, because of this


Pogba ? Considering quality, he's worth 50-80 mil in the future. hence we are a topteam we can totally ask this now if we purely look at quality and potential.

But, Pogba is a CM. Who is gonna dish out that much for a CM ? WHO CAN AFFORD IT ?

Well, that would be the oil teams, real and barcelona and technically bayern

Oilteams, will not spend that much for a CM
Barcelona, only buys players under 5'12
Hoeness from bayern claimed that 40 mil was much, but it was for the CL victory, and they would never ever pay this again for a CM. Let alone add many to it.

This leaves real madrid.

NO team is gonna pay over 50/60 mil for a central midfielder. Agnelli sayd "we cant ignore a lavish offer". But no one realistically can make this lavish offer.

40 mil. Thats the maximum we'd get for Pogba from the usual teams. And seriously, we should not even consider selling for such pathetic price.


Madrid is the only team who'd do it. But here is the deal. Madrid currently doesnt use BtB midfielders. And considering how they are piling up the CAM's, and offensive wingers, i cant see that happen soon. And if it happens, will they splash 70mil on a midfielder that doesnt suit their style ?
Yes they would. If he is the best in the world and brings loads of fans. Wich isnt quite soon. Pogby is gonna have to eat alot of bread before he'll be that popular.


So all in all, who cares what agnelli said ? No team is gonna offer +40mil anytime soon for a CM

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I dont think its a fair comparison actually.One is a goal machine while the other is a more well rounded forward who plays the supporting cast from time to time.

agreed. Altho one could think about who'd be most important for juventus

 

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[Hydde]

The gap between cavani and llorente isnt that much.
I'm not even sure i prefer cavani tbh.

A tevez-suarez-llorente frontline wont work however, they'll run in each others way

You need a midfielder behind two out of those tree

Like ozil, müller, Mata, ...

I think both Llorente and Cavani play differently and each one has its pros. Cavani workrate is unmatched, and he is a born goalscorer. llorente has less workrate than Cavani, and is less prolific even when being a targetman.

Cavani is an all around modern striker , like very few. Prolific, and can play s a targetman, but IMO excels when playing a free role as a striker.
Llorente is a classic targetman of old.. but with a great touch and some offensive traits with the ball at his feet. This is very rare for a targetman.

If you ask me sincerely, i think Cavani tops llorente without doubt, in the way that he can up the game of any team u put him in. Is more all around, yet effective. He is like a targetman Tevez, but more prolific.
Llorente is less prolific than him, but he complements our team in some good ways too.

If lorente can improve his decition making, and be more selfish in some ocations... i think he can be able to rival cavani´s productiveness.

 

[Lion]

There will never be another Del Piero like figure in our tea, at least not in the coming 50 years or so. At most, Pogbas can aim to reach a Nedved like status (worshipped and loved by every juventino).

that's racist

 

[Zacheryah]

Against a very strong defence, Cavani would be marked out of the game more easely then Llorente

If you'd go against bayern of last year, i'd want llorente. Able to controll these balls and distribute to the wingers would be so damn effective, whilst cavani would mostly lose duels with dante, or face 2 lightning fast fullbacks making him run circles in the buildup

Hence, Playing with llorente and lichtsteiner-asamoah would keep the fullbacks deep, and take away much of the offensive strenght

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that's racist

The player who is the undisputed protagonist that would lead juventus to serie a titles and a championsleague, would immediatly reach such status.

A player who'd win 2 Cl's in simular way, would go in front of him., if he stayed here all his career

 

[Hydde]

that's racist

you are racist!

 

[Lion]

you're the one rasis

 

[Suns]

Reports that Madrid are lining up a 40m euro bid and are willing to offer him 8m euros per season.

That is the problem right there. We need to start offering our best players money like that. Because they will always look elsewhere and be tempted by money like that. Same thing with Vidal, we just got him to star for 5.5m which is an amazing job by Marotta but he's more of a 8m type of player on the market and he will always be tempted to leave to get that kind of money.

 

[Jem83]

That is the problem right there. We need to start offering our best players money like that. Because they will always look elsewhere and be tempted by money like that. Same thing with Vidal, we just got him to star for 5.5m which is an amazing job by Marotta but he's more of a 8m type of player on the market and he will always be tempted to leave to get that kind of money.

#Just

 

[Zacheryah]

That is the problem right there. We need to start offering our best players money like that. Because they will always look elsewhere and be tempted by money like that. Same thing with Vidal, we just got him to star for 5.5m which is an amazing job by Marotta but he's more of a 8m type of player on the market and he will always be tempted to leave to get that kind of money.

That is exactly what Milan did, and look how they ended up.


We cannot offer our players that kind of money with the turnover we have now, quite simply.
Spending more on wages then we can, will only result in selling our best players.

What we should do is work with a good base wage, like 5.5 mil wich is second highest in italy, and add performance related bonusses to make the player get more in ways we can afford it

 

[Hydde]

Against a very strong defence, Cavani would be marked out of the game more easely then Llorente

If you'd go against bayern of last year, i'd want llorente. Able to controll these balls and distribute to the wingers would be so damn effective, whilst cavani would mostly lose duels with dante, or face 2 lightning fast fullbacks making him run circles in the buildup

Hence, Playing with llorente and lichtsteiner-asamoah would keep the fullbacks deep, and take away much of the offensive strenght

Me too. In those 2 games our midfield was totally nullified. It would have been better to send long balls to a targetman like Llorente. But this tactic didnt worked because of our forwards at that time.

The player who is the undisputed protagonist that would lead juventus to serie a titles and a championsleague, would immediatly reach such status.

A player who'd win 2 Cl's in simular way, would go in front of him., if he stayed here all his career

For starters, any player who wants to aspire to reach Dp legendary status , needs to makes his mind early and commit to the team. Even winning some CLs would not make him reach that level of adoration. The player must sacrifice his career and stay with us no matter what.

So all in all, who cares what agnelli said ? No team is gonna offer +40mil anytime soon for a CM

I think that with the proper propaganda, and some more hype... oil teams will start throwing cash at agnellis face in no time.

If Pogs excels at the WC, his wonder boy status will know no bounds. The 60+ mils offers will appear.

 

[Xperd]

I agree he needs a good wage ,something close to 3.5-4m at the very least.But Pogba owes a lot to Juve though ,we gave him the opportunity and he's already become a hot commodity in world football and i feel confident he'll stay here for a few more seasons anyway unless we dont force him into a sale due to financial difficulties.

 

[Hydde]

you're the one rasis

No you! damn lion

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I agree he needs a good wage ,something close to 3.5-4m at the very least.But Pogba owes a lot to Juve though ,we gave him the opportunity and he's already become a hot commodity in world football and i feel confident he'll stay here for a few more seasons anyway unless we dont force him into a sale due to financial difficulties.

yeh, and he is very happy with us, not only because of the name and results... but he has found a nce enviroment, with a superb coach to teach him how to be a proper footballer...and has made some good friends too. He is a good boy, not a cassano, Balo one.+

 

[Zacheryah]

I think that with the proper propaganda, and some more hype... oil teams will start throwing cash at agnellis face in no time.
If Pogs excels at the WC, his wonder boy status will know no bounds. The 60+ mils offers will appear.

Who is gonna offer 60+mil for a central midfielder ?


Oilclubs only buy forwards, barcelona wants diffrent players and madrid just got Bale

ALso, france wont get very far. Not unless Pogba becomes as good as zidane suddenly. And even then..

 

[Suns]

That is exactly what Milan did, and look how they ended up.


We cannot offer our players that kind of money with the turnover we have now, quite simply.
Spending more on wages then we can, will only result in selling our best players.

What we should do is work with a good base wage, like 5.5 mil wich is second highest in italy, and add performance related bonusses to make the player get more in ways we can afford it

So basically, what you mean is that its impossible for Juventus to have players who are top quality good? You can't go off selling every damn player just because you managed to develop them into one of the best. Keeping players like Vidal and Pogba around is the difference between us and teams like Fiorentina. You shouldn't have to be penalized for being successful in developing your OWN players.

Teams usually sell players because they want to leave. The simple answer would be to not give them a reason to leave. The 40m you'll get for someone like Vidal won't replace what he means to the team. Sure you can get 2 players for 20m each but there are no guarantees they'll even turn out to have even half of the effect Vidal did. Paying somebody like Vidal 3m more is worth it.

 

[Vlad]

So basically, what you mean is that its impossible for Juventus to have players who are top quality good? You can't go off selling every damn player just because you managed to develop them into one of the best. Keeping players like Vidal and Pogba around is the difference between us and teams like Fiorentina. You shouldn't have to be penalized for being successful in developing your OWN players.

Teams usually sell players because they want to leave. The simple answer would be to not give them a reason to leave. The 40m you'll get for someone like Vidal won't replace what he means to the team. Sure you can get 2 players for 20m each but there are no guarantees they'll even turn out to have even half of the effect Vidal did. Paying somebody like Vidal 3m more is worth it.

In a few years, but for the moment he's satisfied; he got himself an improved contract, plays for the club he likes and is in familiar surrounding among the current teammates. No reason for him to change clubs for 1-2 millions more on a bank account. Also there's of course the family factor for a player to consider like kids, schools, living place and all other parts of the ordinary life.

 

[only-juve]

I agree he needs a good wage ,something close to 3.5-4m at the very least.But Pogba owes a lot to Juve though ,we gave him the opportunity and he's already become a hot commodity in world football and i feel confident he'll stay here for a few more seasons anyway unless we dont force him into a sale due to financial difficulties.

I wouldn't bet on that when he has an agent like Raiola !

I can easily see him being sold in 2 seasons so that Raiola can get that big fat cheque that he's always after....

 

[Lion]

how many players you know besides zlatan that raiola moves around?

only dat zlatan is one who moves around and it had to more with zlatan himself than raiola

 

[tyouto]

very poor game again
i will put marchisio in pirlo position, since pogba offer better than marchi in offence

 

[Vlad]

Much, much better in the 2nd half. Improved in every aspect from passing, movement, etc... Evidently not his best position, but he'll do fine till Pirlo recovers.

 

[AngelaL]

very poor game again
i will put marchisio in pirlo position, since pogba offer better than marchi in offence

This! Pogs was having lapses in concentration here and there!