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I said that Pogba was great tonight? Or that Marchisio was poor?
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Y so serious
No mate you're actually funny and your off topics are adding another dimension to this place.
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2 times I mentioned the guy after some ridiculous choices he made. I mentioned Nando as well, Isla, etc... If you check the post count in the live thread I actually don't post that much during the game and certainly don't fill that thread.
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Y so serious
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2 times I mentioned the guy after some ridiculous choices he made. I mentioned Nando as well, Isla, etc... If you check the post count in the live thread I actually don't post that much during the game and certainly don't fill that thread.
Lets not play around here. I have sticked up for Marchisio, but at the same time, i was the first to rate pogba, and i actually dont purely rate him on flair and fancy, and can see the great things he does when the peasants think he had a quiet game.
However, you are by far the one that gave me the worst trouble, allways going on about how bad marchisio is and how good pogba is, even when it wasent the case. A few here do that, but you did it with great frequency and amplification. If i see your avatar in any thread, i nearly automatically assume the post is gonna bash marchisio and suck pogba's dick.
Wich is fine. You arent objective at all, but expressing an opinion.
However, you are the last person to tell someone to not do that, as you are the worst example.
However, you are by far the one that gave me the worst trouble, allways going on about how bad marchisio is and how good pogba is, even when it wasent the case. A few here do that, but you did it with great frequency and amplification. If i see your avatar in any thread, i nearly automatically assume the post is gonna bash marchisio and suck pogba's dick.
Wich is fine. You arent objective at all, but expressing an opinion.
However, you are the last person to tell someone to not do that, as you are the worst example.
Yes I'm expressing an opinion related to football, laugh as well when I find something funny, but never go and call other people peasants, clowns, idiots, and all other terms that you so readily use when disagree over anything; and because you're convinced that you possess some superior knowledge in every matter, be it finances, transfers, tactics, find it appropriate to impose yourself and shove your opinions down every member's throat. It goes to a point that you invent terms like liquid cash, tactical flow, etc... Please don't hold lectures you out of all people.
Very poor in Pirlo's role.
In terms of composure on the ball and making the right pass, no one can replace Pirlo, but from the players available, Vidal would be best suited to this role. Pogba can't yet handle that responsibility and Marchisio has proven that he cannot be a reference point for a team.
In terms of composure on the ball and making the right pass, no one can replace Pirlo, but from the players available, Vidal would be best suited to this role. Pogba can't yet handle that responsibility and Marchisio has proven that he cannot be a reference point for a team.
Good try. You dont "express an opinion". You go in every thread bashing marchisio all the time. I'm not the only one who noticed btw.
Its very interesting, how you absolutely bash people who are not simularly minded
First comes a guy who does exactly what you do, but for marchisio instead of pogba, and you immediatly attack him.
Then you say i'm forcing my opinon onto others, while you are THE marchisio hater who'll attack just anyone who says something positive , makes irritating little insulting comments towards him that arent justified, and do this in many threads.
Its very interesting, how you absolutely bash people who are not simularly minded
First comes a guy who does exactly what you do, but for marchisio instead of pogba, and you immediatly attack him.
Then you say i'm forcing my opinon onto others, while you are THE marchisio hater who'll attack just anyone who says something positive , makes irritating little insulting comments towards him that arent justified, and do this in many threads.
Vidal is the worst holding midfielder of the team.
When pirlo is gone, we lack a playmaker. Wich we should solve in the summer and go 4312 when pirlo is abscent.
We can perfectly use marchisio, or less ideal pogba(who should me more offensive considering his qualities), as a holding midfielder, but have a cam as referencepoint
For now, go ahead and kill me. Diamanti could be a cheap fix.
----MVP
---diamanti
tevez-lllorente
Easy cheap fix
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Red is the tactical reference point, and we have the same opinion about pogba and marchisio.
I'm on a high horse, cause this is a forum filled with peasants who dont understand jack about tactics, with is an utter disgrace for an italian team. But this is an international forum offcourse
When pirlo is gone, we lack a playmaker. Wich we should solve in the summer and go 4312 when pirlo is abscent.
We can perfectly use marchisio, or less ideal pogba(who should me more offensive considering his qualities), as a holding midfielder, but have a cam as referencepoint
For now, go ahead and kill me. Diamanti could be a cheap fix.
----MVP
---diamanti
tevez-lllorente
Easy cheap fix
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Red is the tactical reference point, and we have the same opinion about pogba and marchisio.
I'm on a high horse, cause this is a forum filled with peasants who dont understand jack about tactics, with is an utter disgrace for an italian team. But this is an international forum offcourse
i think it's far too easy for us to forget that this guy is just 20 years of age, he's allowed a quiet game here and there. It's not as if he played badly tonight, just not up to his usual immense standard. It's just possible that he was holding back with the Gala game coming up, especially when you consider how tired he looked against Udinese.
He's been more impressive than Marchi and Pogba when played there. There is no way we could rely on Marchi as a holding MF as he will provide little support for the back 3 in terms of building our play. He is not a player that goes looking for the ball and even when he has it, he rarely makes a telling pass. Vidal has these sort of attributes a lot more than Marchi.
If you mean put Marchi but there to defend, and most of the play is going through Vidal and Pogba, then possibly, but it'd still leave a hole in our build up play.
PS: Your arrogance towards "peasants" is truly detestable.
If you mean put Marchi but there to defend, and most of the play is going through Vidal and Pogba, then possibly, but it'd still leave a hole in our build up play.
PS: Your arrogance towards "peasants" is truly detestable.
Its about how you play the midfield.
Pogba and vidal's offensive contributions are the future of juventus. already they are quite good. With pirlo serving both as the player holding the midfield, and the regista.
Now when taking pirlo away, first, comes organisation. We need a holding midfielder. Both pogba and vidal are wasted there, because their biggest strenght,is their aggressive pressing game, and their danger close to the forwards and their attacking impulses. Make one a covering midfielder and the enemy has MUCH easyer to build up. Right now, we are a hell to play against, with those two effectively making it hard to build up.
Marchisio, has good passing and distribution, he's fine there. But he isnt a playmaker. neighter are pogba and vidal.
So, without pirlo, we can do a few things.
We could play 352, but have the cm's in the buildup close to each other and have tevez drop off in the center. Not ideal but it works
We could play 4312 or 4321, but then we'd have to put marchisio as a cam, leaving pogba to hold the midfield. Wich takes away his offensive value, wich is not ideal
Here is the deal. We need a PLAYMAKER to cover for pirlo and we dont have it. Conte uses Marchisio is a playmaker, but he isnt cut for it and diamanti would do that better
Pogba and vidal's offensive contributions are the future of juventus. already they are quite good. With pirlo serving both as the player holding the midfield, and the regista.
Now when taking pirlo away, first, comes organisation. We need a holding midfielder. Both pogba and vidal are wasted there, because their biggest strenght,is their aggressive pressing game, and their danger close to the forwards and their attacking impulses. Make one a covering midfielder and the enemy has MUCH easyer to build up. Right now, we are a hell to play against, with those two effectively making it hard to build up.
Marchisio, has good passing and distribution, he's fine there. But he isnt a playmaker. neighter are pogba and vidal.
So, without pirlo, we can do a few things.
We could play 352, but have the cm's in the buildup close to each other and have tevez drop off in the center. Not ideal but it works
We could play 4312 or 4321, but then we'd have to put marchisio as a cam, leaving pogba to hold the midfield. Wich takes away his offensive value, wich is not ideal
Here is the deal. We need a PLAYMAKER to cover for pirlo and we dont have it. Conte uses Marchisio is a playmaker, but he isnt cut for it and diamanti would do that better
We need to make transition from Dlp based system. This is a good test, but I'd have liked if Conte was a little bit more adventurous, using for instance 4-3-1-2 in Serie A until Pirlo recovers, still it was good seeing that we can play and win without Pirlo. Although I'll add that it was notable in some periods how much we've missed him, especially in the 1st half after we scored, we lacked someone to control the game, slow down the tempo, etc... As for Vidal, yes he looked much better than Pogba few times he played there, but doubtless we would lose upfront a player capable of scoring and creating opportunities; sort of a trade.
It was actually refreshing to see our DM not involved so much in the play. Instead, the ball went forward more often and we had tons of chances. I was happy to see that we didn't immediately stop our attacks to pass back to a regista just so he could make a 5 yard pass out wide.
Also, Bologna was playing some type of 3-4-3 but with all 3 forwards playing close together centrally. Pogba had no time and was content to stay out of the game for the most part while we played vertically more often. Defensively, nothing came through the middle, so that's good.
People say he had a bad game. I'd rather say he was just uninvolved really. That's what will happen to your DM if you are taking advantage of space upfront.
Marchisio had quite a few Marchisio style runs into Bologna's box. Wondering if that's just a coincidence that with Pirlo out Marchisio is more aggressive.
Also, Bologna was playing some type of 3-4-3 but with all 3 forwards playing close together centrally. Pogba had no time and was content to stay out of the game for the most part while we played vertically more often. Defensively, nothing came through the middle, so that's good.
People say he had a bad game. I'd rather say he was just uninvolved really. That's what will happen to your DM if you are taking advantage of space upfront.
Marchisio had quite a few Marchisio style runs into Bologna's box. Wondering if that's just a coincidence that with Pirlo out Marchisio is more aggressive.