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Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
18,943
Yes, Pogba is definitely world class.

No, it's nowhere near certain that he'll become the best player in the world. Maybe, perhaps even probably, in his position though.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,988
Not lamer than the overrating around these parts though. There are people saying he'll surely become one of the best of all time. Get out of here.
This is true. For now, lets say he is special. He truly is indeed....but so many things can happen in a career. He can be Pogba now..and a flop in 7 or 8 years (highly unlikely tho).

Or have a nosedive in performances due to injuries or whatever reason (like Kaka). Remember in 2004 when young Kaka destroyed serie A with Milan?. Eevry team in the wolrd was fapping for him and he was truly class. Then he got injured and sold to madrid and thats it...he never returned.
 

CrimsonianKing

Count Mbangula
Jan 16, 2013
27,326
If we go by your logic, no player in todays game is world class.
Nope, exactly the contrary. If there are no better players than a kid who's had maybe a good season and a half and some good performances here and there, then yes the bar is set too low and the Football world lack better players in that position. You comment makes no sense.
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
69,007
This.

Also, if his performances are not enough to make him WC...

Please tell me 10 MFs who played better than him in the last 2 years. Real CMs, not pure AMs or DMs. This assuming only the top 10 CMs of the world are world class.
I had this conversation with an arsenal fan last summer... the response I got was "Pogba is not worth 10 mill and he wouldn't even start for arsenal because we already have Abou Diaby and Santi Cazorla"
 

Hængebøffer

Senior Member
Jun 4, 2009
25,185
Nope, exactly the contrary. If there are no better players than a kid who's had maybe a good season and a half and some good performances here and there, then yes the bar is set too low and the Football world lack better players in that position. You comment makes no sense.
What are you on about? The problem is that you're comparing them with players from another era, when football was different.
 

CrimsonianKing

Count Mbangula
Jan 16, 2013
27,326
What are you on about? The problem is that you're comparing them with players from another era, when football was different.
No i'm not, i'm comparing him with players today. If you think he's better than all of the CM out there and that makes him World Class, then the bar is low. For the simple reason, he hasn't done enough and not at the highest level.
 

Hængebøffer

Senior Member
Jun 4, 2009
25,185
No i'm not, i'm comparing him with players today. If you think he's better than all of the CM out there and that makes him World Class, then the bar is low. For the simple reason, he hasn't done enough and not at the highest level.
But that would still make him world class, because there aren't anyone better. A low bar is irrelevant in this context.

And I never said he is the best, or that he's world class.
 

CrimsonianKing

Count Mbangula
Jan 16, 2013
27,326
There aren't maybe anyone better because Football lacks better CMs, as it does with Fullbacks and defenders. Pogba being supposedly at the top as the best in his position when he clearly has much to do, actually shows how weak modern Football is.

Now if he's World Class in today's standard that doesn't make him what people here are trying to make him be And obviously not (yet, and possibly won't happen) one of the best of all time material, as people mentioned above.
 

CrimsonianKing

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Jan 16, 2013
27,326
No, my argument is from what i see. Pogba hasn't done anything at the highest level to be at the top, and if he is, everything below him has to be quite disappointing and proves my point that it lacks better players who play at his position.
 

Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
18,943
No, my argument is from what i see. Pogba hasn't done anything at the highest level to be at the top, and if he is, everything below him has to be quite disappointing and proves my point that it lacks better players who play at his position.
So you're saying if he's among the best in the world among players of his position, there aren't any players better in his position? :p
 

CrimsonianKing

Count Mbangula
Jan 16, 2013
27,326
So you're saying if he's among the best in the world among players of his position, there aren't any players better in his position? :p
No, he didn't say he was amongst the best, he said he's the best. He's the one at the top. I truly don't think he's done enough to be regarded as that.

BUT if we consider he is and judge what he's done so far which equals to other players not being as good; there's a need for better players at that position.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,988
Player of Week 12: Paul Pogba
Juventus’ Paul Pogba put Lazio to the sword with a classy pair of finishes, making him Livio Caferoglu’s pick for Week 12 Player of the Week.





How Beppe Marotta must be having the last laugh. Crucified by fans and media alike for his failed transfer dealings during his first season at Juventus, the director general is now being hailed as a mercato master by those same individuals. As if football wasn’t already fickle enough.
Unlike Luigi Del Neri, the Coach who also made the move north from Sampdoria before being sacked at the end of the 2010-11 season, Marotta has passed the test of time. It’s true that Juve’s problems needed more than a quick fix in hindsight, but the trainer inevitably suffers as the fall guy.


In spite of everything, credit must go to the Bianconeri for affording Marotta ample time to reshape the club’s fortunes. Albeit, for every Andrea Pirlo free transfer, there has been a Lucio, but over time, perhaps his greatest contribution to the Old Lady cause will prove to be another freebie - Paul Pogba.


Lazio’s impressive run of form and ambition to qualify for Europe combined with the champions’ continued adjustment to a new formation and upcoming Champions League commitments meant an upset could have been on the cards in Week 12 at the Olimpico.


However, Juve’s young midfielder was reading from his own script. With barely a quarter of the match played, Carlos Tevez’s diagonal pass was met on the edge of the Aquile box by Pogba, who somehow managed to bring the ball down and smash a low finish into the bottom-right corner of Federico Marchetti’s net within two deft touches.


And on the hour mark, the 21-year-old completed his brace with another finely-taken goal. Awaiting the ball on the inside-left channel, Pogba took Roberto Pereyra’s through pass and needed just two touches before firing a shot to the goalkeeper’s right.


Other notable highlights of the Le Havre youth product’s performance saw him strike the crossbar with a fabulous curling effort from just outside the area, while he almost turned provider for Federico Mattiello following a quick-fire one-two with the teenager.


As the age-old saying goes, if you’re good enough you’re old enough, and Pogba is living proof of this very theory, having racked up an impressive 135 Eurofantasyleague.com points this season so far. Signed in the summer of 2012 after a long-winded contractual wrangle with Manchester United, the France prospect has progressed at a rate of knots in Turin.


Taking barely a few months to displace Claudio Marchisio - a move which has arguably benefited the Italy international’s own development - Pogba proceeded to dispel the notion that Serie A clubs were unwilling to back young players. Is it a coincidence that many other clubs have followed suit since?


Despite his tender years, it’s hard to detect any weaknesses in Pogba’s armoury. Combining a physical presence which resembles nine-time Olympic gold winner Carl Lewis with a thunderous shot and excellent dribbling ability, the midfielder is destined to dominate the box-to-box arena for years to come.
The last time that a Serie A top goalscorer wasn’t a striker was exactly 20 seasons ago, when Michel Platini equalled Gunnar Nordahl’s record of three successive Capocannonieri. With many of the Italian top flight’s most clinical marksmen either shipped off or nearing retirement, Pogba may be about to exploit this freak scenario.


Of course, Pogba must now concentrate on shaking off his wunderkind tag if he is to realise his predatory potential, but whatever happens, Sir Alex Ferguson will be watching his former protege’s rise and rise with a tinge of envy.
Further still, with a bumper new contract behind him, in what is his biggest sign of commitment to the Old Lady cause yet, Pogba represents Juve’s future.
 

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