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Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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I've enjoyed reading your posts actually and it's saved me from having to write a bunch. Even with your corrected post it still suggests that there's somehow a violent aspect to scripture that once followed it can lead to extremism so it's better we don't follow that one aspect of it. I disagree, I know my scripture, and it doesn't teach me to be violent. My apartment is meant to be lived in, if I chose to open my window and start sniping people on the streets, my apartment doesn't become violent a place, it just means there's a violent person in that apartment. Simple as that. You can turn anything into something else.
I agree with you 100%. As I said to swag I was wrong, and my statement was far too... what are the words I'm looking for? both ill-informed and assertive as though I was declaring a fact. I got caught up in the article and in the immediate aftermath went overboard. For this, I apologize.

What I'm really trying to say, and you might not agree with this still, is that people can find justification for their acts by selective reading of scripture. That's all I should have been saying from the start. I don't believe in the slightest that the Koran teaches people to be violent, or causes otherwise non-violent people to lead violent lives. Circumstance and environment cause that. What I do believe though, and I believe it with regards to scripture of most major religions, and people in general, is that Islamic scripture can be interpreted in a way that appears to justify their violent acts. Again, the scripture hasn't led them to violence, nor has it taught them that violence is a path to paradise. But it has been used for justification of the acts of people who would of course find other justification for it if they couldn't find it by selectively picking quotes out of context from scripture.

The problem is that there are (what I would say were) very intelligent individuals leading young, disenfranchised and angry people far astray by telling them what they want to hear: that scripture justifies this violence, even demands it.

I've read the Koran several times, and selections of the Hadiths. I spent 3 semesters studying religion in University, though admittedly not specifically focused on Islam, but more so comparative religions. I'm not all that ill-informed with regards to scripture of any of the world's major religions. My original comment was indeed unfortunate, and I am embarrassed by it, I let an article I was reading run away with my opinion before I sat down and rationally thought about it and read rebuttals of it. I apologize for that.
 

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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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I doubt you even know what the word means. And it's incredible to accuse me of it considering your incredibly racist posts in this very thread. But hey be a moron. If that's what you so desire. Just know that people will see as this gun crazy American who has no idea about the world beyond the states.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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I doubt you even know what the word means. And it's incredible to accuse me of it considering your incredibly racist posts in this very thread.
Racist to halt refugees until we can comprise a better system of learning more about who we are bringing in?


If it was white anglo-saxons I'd still want a better system of who comes into our country.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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He met the grand daughter of pahlavi, so he knows what he needs to know on this subject to form and stick to a convenient opinion. Fuck me
I gotta say.. Every time he speaks about these things I'm surprised and disappointed with the states. Say what you want about Europe, but people here do learn to think for themselves.

Unfortunately that does seem to lead to identity crises in some..
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Racist to halt refugees until we can comprise a better system of learning more about who we are bringing in?


If it was white anglo-saxons I'd still want a better system of who comes into our country.
No. You wouldn't. But tell yourself that you would.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
I gotta say.. Every time he speaks about these things I'm surprised and disappointed with the states. Say what you want about Europe, but people here do learn to think for themselves.
That has done well for Europe through its history.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,337
I can assure you I would, whether British, Danish or wherever you wish.

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Yes. Motives.
I don't buy any of that. Also, the motives of refugees can't all be looked into at arrival, this happens in a later stadium. What you can check is their background and whether or not they may be part of some organization.
 

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