Oh Sh*t, Here We Go (14 Viewers)
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This is a very complicated question to answer, but I'll make it as simple as possible
originally and racially, Arabs are only the ones from the Arabian peninsula, which nowadays is Saudi Arabia, Yemen, UAE, Oman, Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain
but with the spread of Islam 1400 years ago Muslims -mostly but not always Arabs- spread too from China's borders to the east until Spain to the west Somalia to the south (and Comoros too) and Kazakhistan to the north
with that spread Arabic language spread too, mostly to Sham and Egypt then other places to a lesser extent
nowadays, an Arab's defintion has changed, it's for Arabic speaking countires, which is:
notice that Turkey, Israel and Iran are close to us but are not Arabs.
must mention also that in Nasser's days 1956-1970, he had this Arab union idea and the older generations of Arabs appreciate it a lot, but this generation is against it mostly from what I see, and each Arab is sticking with his country only that many now deny being an Arab and prefer to be proud of other origins as Pharaos, Berber and others.
it wasn't obvious until something as trivial as football made it clear but I personally am still with the Arab union idea, politically and financially
Yeah, it separates Sinai peninsula from the rest of the country
and we could -if we wanted to have a strong role in the region- use it as a way to prevents such things from happening, or show some guts, but our wise leaders choose not to.
Out of curiousity only, does most of the population in Algeria hate Egypt as it seems?
I think it's a mutual misunderstanding because of something very stupid, and I personally supported Algeria in the WC, but many people here are misled by the media and I believe so are the ones in Algeria
originally and racially, Arabs are only the ones from the Arabian peninsula, which nowadays is Saudi Arabia, Yemen, UAE, Oman, Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain
but with the spread of Islam 1400 years ago Muslims -mostly but not always Arabs- spread too from China's borders to the east until Spain to the west Somalia to the south (and Comoros too) and Kazakhistan to the north
with that spread Arabic language spread too, mostly to Sham and Egypt then other places to a lesser extent
nowadays, an Arab's defintion has changed, it's for Arabic speaking countires, which is:
notice that Turkey, Israel and Iran are close to us but are not Arabs.
must mention also that in Nasser's days 1956-1970, he had this Arab union idea and the older generations of Arabs appreciate it a lot, but this generation is against it mostly from what I see, and each Arab is sticking with his country only that many now deny being an Arab and prefer to be proud of other origins as Pharaos, Berber and others.
it wasn't obvious until something as trivial as football made it clear but I personally am still with the Arab union idea, politically and financially
Yeah, it separates Sinai peninsula from the rest of the country
and we could -if we wanted to have a strong role in the region- use it as a way to prevents such things from happening, or show some guts, but our wise leaders choose not to.
Out of curiousity only, does most of the population in Algeria hate Egypt as it seems?
I think it's a mutual misunderstanding because of something very stupid, and I personally supported Algeria in the WC, but many people here are misled by the media and I believe so are the ones in Algeria
@ JBF
You can't tell someone how to feel. He doesn't feel Arab and if the majority of his countrymen don't feel Arab, then they aren't. If they feel Arab then they are Arab.
Genealogically, they aren't Arabs, the majority at least. Linguistically, the majority speaks Arabic, but in a country like Morocco for 30-40% of the population Berber is the main language. Culturally, they have huge French, Spanish and African influences, but that doesn't make them French, just like speaking Arabic doesn't make them Arabs by default.
For many of them the non-Arab ethnic and linguistic purity has remained. They embraced Islam willingly, they accepted the language, but that doesn't mean that by doing so they became Arabs and aren't what they feel they are, Berber.
Genealogically, they aren't Arabs, the majority at least. Linguistically, the majority speaks Arabic, but in a country like Morocco for 30-40% of the population Berber is the main language. Culturally, they have huge French, Spanish and African influences, but that doesn't make them French, just like speaking Arabic doesn't make them Arabs by default.
For many of them the non-Arab ethnic and linguistic purity has remained. They embraced Islam willingly, they accepted the language, but that doesn't mean that by doing so they became Arabs and aren't what they feel they are, Berber.
That is the truth. We really don't have the same mentality, the same culture, etc... Hell, even our dialect isn't the same; it's a mixed of French, Amazigh, Spanish, Arabic and Turk language. An Arab hardly understand this language.
If the fact Arabs, long time ago settled here means we are Arab, then, you can consider us French (I'm sick just saying this) too, because the French settled here for 132 years too. Algeria was even considered as part of France. French is also our second language.
The only thing we have in common with Arabs is Islam; Arabic is only used for religion, too.
Also, Arabism is a concept, I don't agree on. It's an idea someone created, and it doesn't mean much. It means almost nothing.
If the fact Arabs, long time ago settled here means we are Arab, then, you can consider us French (I'm sick just saying this) too, because the French settled here for 132 years too. Algeria was even considered as part of France. French is also our second language.
The only thing we have in common with Arabs is Islam; Arabic is only used for religion, too.
Also, Arabism is a concept, I don't agree on. It's an idea someone created, and it doesn't mean much. It means almost nothing.