Btw, what do you consider to be Maghreb? I know that Libya and Mauritania are also put there, but do they really belong in that term?
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Well here's the thing Alen, he wasn't talking about Morocco there but rather the whole North-West of Africa which is considered to be meghred by Arabs. And by no means the majority there believes they're non arabs. Take Algerians, Tunisians and Libyans as examples and you'll realize how proud arabs are their population but as many individuals there opt for some reason to deliberately delete that Arabian identity and history for some idiotic reasons some are starting to get the influence. Oh and that's not only in the arabian meghreb but even in Iraq and Lebanon there were such movements considering themselves non arabs but rather Finicks and Ashooryans.
Oh and no one ever said that they're not in fact berber but they're rather Arabian Berbers while they're claiming that they're not Arabs at all, and there lies the idiocy. as there's no such thing as arabs then but Saudi Arabia since its the only country considered to be the origin for arabs while Syria, Jordan, Iraq and Palestine were either Roman or Persian empires' settlements yet you can't find any of those claiming to be Romans and Persians. In fact here in Jordan, people could claim to be Anbaat (Petra inhabitants) the ones who challenged the Romans when no one dared to just like Egyptians who could claim to be Pharaohs not Arabs.
Point is, Arab aint an ethnicity but rather a culture that it's roots are firmly stick now in places where Arabic weren't even spoken there before Islam came and paved way not for the language only but for a way of life that made the Arabs what they are now.
Oh and no one ever said that they're not in fact berber but they're rather Arabian Berbers while they're claiming that they're not Arabs at all, and there lies the idiocy. as there's no such thing as arabs then but Saudi Arabia since its the only country considered to be the origin for arabs while Syria, Jordan, Iraq and Palestine were either Roman or Persian empires' settlements yet you can't find any of those claiming to be Romans and Persians. In fact here in Jordan, people could claim to be Anbaat (Petra inhabitants) the ones who challenged the Romans when no one dared to just like Egyptians who could claim to be Pharaohs not Arabs.
Point is, Arab aint an ethnicity but rather a culture that it's roots are firmly stick now in places where Arabic weren't even spoken there before Islam came and paved way not for the language only but for a way of life that made the Arabs what they are now.
Morocco, Tunisia and Algeria are the core of it. We were once a ''country'', before Europeans came; we were all the same. Now we share some differences, but the mentality is the same. Like the Slavs.
Libya and Mauritania ''grafted'' themselves to the convention of Maghreb, they have a lot of Berber's contingent and if they feel Maghrebians (Don't know if it's a word in English), it's only right that they are. Even if Libya could be considered as Arab by some (they could be), I don't really know what is their thought about that.
But, essentially Maghreb is composed of only three country.
Libya and Mauritania ''grafted'' themselves to the convention of Maghreb, they have a lot of Berber's contingent and if they feel Maghrebians (Don't know if it's a word in English), it's only right that they are. Even if Libya could be considered as Arab by some (they could be), I don't really know what is their thought about that.
But, essentially Maghreb is composed of only three country.
Yeah, you're not Arab, Algeria is more French than Arab and no one understand an algerian when he speaks arabic. Good thing Im an Arab and I actually understand an Algerian, Libyan, Tunisian and even a Moroccon speaking arabic. I must be Berber
Oh and you not agreeing on the concept of Arabism doesn't make your entire country along with 5 others not arabs simply because you along with your mates don't feel like ones. Disgrace really.
Yeah, you're not Arab, Algeria is more French than Arab and no one understand an algerian when he speaks arabic. Good thing Im an Arab and I actually understand an Algerian, Libyan, Tunisian and even a Moroccon speaking arabic. I must be Berber
Oh and you not agreeing on the concept of Arabism doesn't make your entire country along with 5 others not arabs simply because you along with your mates don't feel like ones. Disgrace really.
You sounds really arrogant.
I agree with many of the things you said in that post JBF, and TrezJuve did make a generalization, but I think you're underestimating a very strong process that is going on in the north-west of Africa.
There is an Arabian influence there, a very strong one indeed, but it's just an influence and trust me that there are hundreds of similar cases when assimilated ethnic groups turned out not to be assimilated at all and went back to their roots even if the language of the ruler was preserved.
Ireland?
There is an Arabian influence there, a very strong one indeed, but it's just an influence and trust me that there are hundreds of similar cases when assimilated ethnic groups turned out not to be assimilated at all and went back to their roots even if the language of the ruler was preserved.
Ireland?
No shit, I thought Algerians were proud of being Berbers every damn one of them. Oh wait that wasn't me. Look man, Algeria is an Arab country and up till today I've never met any Algerian questioning that, and I've met many Algerians. Just take a good listen to your national anthem ffs, it say it all.
Oh and make a good research about your revolution against the French and what Arab country had your back (Im talking about Algerians here fighting for their country, no idea if you consider yourself one of those too.), if it wasn't for Arabs sticking with Algeria it would have still be a French settlement now and that's a fact while not denying all the sacrifices and bravery the Algerians wrote history with in 135 years but the Arabs were there with them in every step and never abandoned their right of independence.
Oh and make a good research about your revolution against the French and what Arab country had your back (Im talking about Algerians here fighting for their country, no idea if you consider yourself one of those too.), if it wasn't for Arabs sticking with Algeria it would have still be a French settlement now and that's a fact while not denying all the sacrifices and bravery the Algerians wrote history with in 135 years but the Arabs were there with them in every step and never abandoned their right of independence.
Look Alen, Im not denying the Berbers living in those countries. Actually many of our Islamic history is down to a great man from them called Tareq Bin Zyad who was the one who led the muslim army to Andalusia. They shed blood to have their respective countries the Independence they were looking for and truth to be said they're not being treated fairly in their countries from Libya to Morocco. But few of them actually believe themselves not to be Arabs, I've seen many documented about this and read a whole bunch of books and they all state the same "We're Arab-Berbers" which made me respect them even more. Up till this guy came and not only generalized all the meghreb area to be a Berber one but also claimed them all non arabs which is plain retarded to say the least.
This really is untrue. This is an ignorant statement and you clearly don't know much about Berber. Berber are an ancient civilization.
WTF, Arabs didn't have any impact. Algeria became independent, with mainly our resources. It's thanks to the FLN (Algerian association) if we are independent.
You're an Ignorant. Don't act like you know more about my country than me. That is really foolish of you.
Seriously, way to make a civilized discussion. You're an idiot. I won't waste more time with you.
Naggar, I'll respond to your question later.
WTF, Arabs didn't have any impact. Algeria became independent, with mainly our resources. It's thanks to the FLN (Algerian association) if we are independent.
And here goes another bombshell
Seriously, way to make a civilized discussion. You're an idiot. I won't waste more time with you.
Naggar, I'll respond to your question later.
Yeah man I know that of course, what I was saying is another theory, and I didn't say it's true, it's just something I heard
but what about the difference between being a berber and a barbarian? most people think they're the same, clearly no offence but could you answer that too when you have time later?
but what about the difference between being a berber and a barbarian? most people think they're the same, clearly no offence but could you answer that too when you have time later?
That has to be the most idiotic statement of all time. Just search who supported that front both military and money wise and keep the name Jamal Abd Al Nasser in your mind at that. If it wasn't for him, God knows what shit would Algeria be in right now.
If anything Im pretty sure you showed who the idiot is right there.
If anything Im pretty sure you showed who the idiot is right there.
