Not only Juve involved in wiretaps scandal (3 Viewers)

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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#81
mark77 said:
I guess they can't call it the Moggi system. It's more like the Italian system.

NEXT!!!
Here's where the inequities start coming out. I can't say I'm surprised. Not that this is a defense of Juve by any means. But so much of the league loves to throw stones at Juve in their own glass houses.
 

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Matteo..

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Apr 30, 2006
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#82
Whether we like it or not, the scandal has been named "Moggiopoli". We'll never get rid of it now. It'll always look Moggi did everything by himself.
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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#84
isha00 said:
Oh, really?
And where is the proof of that?
This is becoming very much a "who's opinion do you trust" thing, where "facts" (whether real are supposed) are selected to support pre-disposed biases.
 
Dec 2, 2005
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#85
Intercettazioni: spunta Facchetti

"Pairetto a presidente Inter, 'ho fatto mettere Meier'

Compare anche il nome del presidente dell'Inter Facchetti in due intercettazioni fatte dalla Procura di Torino all'arbitro Gigi Pairetto. L'inchiesta, sulla frode sportiva, e' stata poi archiviata. 'Ho fatto mettere Meier', dice Pairetto a Facchetti nella prima telefonata - che risale al 15 settembre 2004 - riferendosi agli arbitri di Champions (l'Inter era in un girone con il Valencia, il Werder Brema e l' Anderlecht). Al centro del colloquio anche alcune tessere dell'Inter per Pairetto."

Inter merda in D

http://www.raisport.rai.it/sportarticolo/0,10719,37692,00.html
 

isha00

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Jun 24, 2003
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#86
swag said:
This is becoming very much a "who's opinion do you trust" thing, where "facts" (whether real are supposed) are selected to support pre-disposed biases.
That's right. And I hate we consider our matches fixed without having real proof, only following what Gazzetta (or whatever) writes.
It's like suicide, also because the decision of the sportive trial will be highly influenced by what people think. If we ourselves think we are guilty only on opinions (by others), what will be of us? :yuck:
 

Matteo..

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Apr 30, 2006
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#87
isha00 said:
That's right. And I hate we consider our matches fixed without having real proof, only following what Gazzetta (or whatever) writes.
It's like suicide, also because the decision of the sportive trial will be highly influenced by what people think. If we ourselves think we are guilty only on opinions (by others), what will be of us? :yuck:
Oh come on. There's no question about the fact we influenced matches. I'd even go as far as saying it has been going on far ages. Anyone who denies that, is either blind or out of his mind. Having said that, I also stick by the opinion this is not just about Moggi and Juventus. This is far, far bigger and I, for one, would hate to see Juventus ending up being the scapegoat for an entire system.
 

C4ISR

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Dec 18, 2005
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#88
Originally Posted by Matteo..
No Juve have to pay cause they fixed games.
Juventini should be the last ppl condemning their squad. Nothing has been proved and the situation runs alot deeper than Juventus alone.
 

C4ISR

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Dec 18, 2005
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#90
Matteo.. said:
Don't be naive.
Only fact we have atm is that NOTHING HAS BEEN PROVED. How am i being naive?

Juve r being made an example out of by media all over the world to personify what is corrupt and evil. So much so that ppl like yourself are operating under the "guilt" mindset.

Thats the first victory in the whole scandal, swaying public opinion (regardless of the anti-juve sentiment b4, right now, its on a whole other level, even corrupting neutrals.)
 

isha00

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Jun 24, 2003
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#91
Matteo, we are paying for everyone, without a proof, without a verdict. This can't be. If they will find something, ok, we'll go to B (not alone, of course), but till then, we are innocent.

Have you heard about the uomo nero? The one who has decided to "buttare la pasta". Well, I'm not gonna eat that pasta, I'll keep on thinking with my own head.


Ps: I'm not even gonna start the argument about this trial being illegal.
 
May 4, 2004
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#92
Shyne said:
Only fact we have atm is that NOTHING HAS BEEN PROVED. How am i being naive?

Juve r being made an example out of by media all over the world to personify what is corrupt and evil. So much so that ppl like yourself are operating under the "guilt" mindset.

Thats the first victory in the whole scandal, swaying public opinion (regardless of the anti-juve sentiment b4, right now, its on a whole other level, even corrupting neutrals.)

Nice post !
 

HelterSkelter

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Apr 15, 2005
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#93
the question is,how deep are the authorities willing to go?will they demote 4 of the biggest teams in the country if it means that everything should be cleaned up?how far are they willing to risk the future of italian football?
 

isha00

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Jun 24, 2003
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#94
It depends a lot, other than on the illicit they find, on who is at the head of these clubs and how far are their tifosi willing to go to save them.
 

Maresca

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Aug 23, 2004
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#95
72 partite sotto inchiesta. Anche l'Inter parlava con Pairetto
20 05 2006
Pierluigi Pairetto
Pierluigi Pairetto Grazia Neri
Secondo quanto riporta il quotidiano 'La Repubblica ', sono settantadue le partite del campionato 2004-2005 sotto inchiesta.

Lo dicono le oltre mille pagine dell'informativa dei carabinieri di Roma passata ai magistrati di Napoli, e da cui sono scaturiti i 41 avvisi di garanzia dell'inchiesta.

Intere giornate di quella stagione, la 13^ di andata e la 5^ di ritorno, sarebbero state preventivamente organizzate da Luciano Moggi insieme ai due designatori degli arbitri.

E almeno 22 giornate su 38. Alcune gare sono state contestate: il Reggina-Juventus (2-1) con Paparesta chiuso a chiave nello spogliatoio del Granillo, il Roma-Juve (1-2) con Racalbuto in campo e le schede speciali del telefonino affidate al quarto uomo Gabriele.

Dal quadro delle telefonate intercettate, secondo quanto riporta 'Repubblica', scaturisce che oltre agli arbitraggi pilotati in favore della Juventus, in base all'ormai famoso 'sistema Moggi', ci fosse anche una particolare attenzione per le squadre protette dall'ex direttore generale bianconero: prime fra tutte Reggina e Messina

Intanto emerge che anche il presidente dell'Inter, Giacinto Facchetti, parlasse al telefono con il designatore Pairetto.

L'intercettazione è della Procura di Torino nell'ambito dell'inchiesta sulla frode sportiva, poi archiviata dai giudici torinesi. Al centro della conversazione, tra il dirigente del club nerazzurro e il designatore arbitrale, ci sono gli arbitri di Champions League e alcune tessere dell'Inter per Pairetto .
 

Maresca

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Aug 23, 2004
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#96
Intercettazioni, compare anche una telefonata Facchetti-Pairetto
20 05 2006
Compare anche il nome del presidente dell'Inter, Giacinto Facchetti, in due intercettazioni fatte dalla Procura di Torino all'arbitro Gigi Pairetto. L'inchiesta, sulla frode sportiva, è stata poi archiviata.

"Ho fatto mettere Meier", dice Pairetto a Facchetti nella prima telefonata - che risale al 15 settembre 2004 - riferendosi agli arbitri di Champions (l'Inter era in un girone con il Valencia, il Werder Brema e l' Anderlecht). Al centro del colloquio anche alcune tessere dell'Inter per Pairetto.
 

Mark

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Dec 19, 2003
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#98
in english

Inter enter UEFA referee row
Saturday 20 May, 2006
Inter are also involved in the growing scandal after allegations Pierluigi Pairetto informed them in advance of Champions League referees.

One of the first issues that struck former Juventus director general Luciano Moggi in this investigation was the fact that designator Pairetto had told him the name of the referees assigned to their European games up to two weeks ahead of kick-off.

Under UEFA rules, clubs are not supposed to know who will officiate their ties until 48 hours before the match and Pairetto was reprimanded for that action.

According to new telephone interceptions quoted in today’s 'Gazzetta dello Sport,’ Inter President Facchetti was also informed of the referees assigned to two of their Champions League group games in advance.

The phone calls, made in September 2004, see Pairetto confirming that Urs Meier has been assigned to the big game against Valencia and Kyros Vassaras for the Anderlecht encounter.

“I made them put Meier in for the second game, because that was the most important for you,” Pairetto was quoted as saying in the alleged telephone conversation. “I picked him, as he is a very reliable referee. Valencia is a tough atmosphere.”

The conversation took place on September 14, two weeks before Vassaras was officially assigned to the 3-1 win against Anderlecht and over a month before Swiss referee Meier officiated Inter’s 5-1 victory at Valencia’s Mestalla stadium.
 

Matteo..

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Apr 30, 2006
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#99
isha00 said:
Matteo, we are paying for everyone, without a proof, without a verdict. This can't be. If they will find something, ok, we'll go to B (not alone, of course), but till then, we are innocent.

Have you heard about the uomo nero? The one who has decided to "buttare la pasta". Well, I'm not gonna eat that pasta, I'll keep on thinking with my own head.


Ps: I'm not even gonna start the argument about this trial being illegal.
I fully agree with the fact that we shouldn't be paying for everyone, but claiming we never influenced games is naive to say the least. Come on, even you don't believe that. Sure, you can go all "they still have to prove it", but that doesn't take away the fact we actually all know we did it and that they eventually WILL find evidence. Most of your arguments are more than valid, but don't think for a second that that is how it's going to go.
 

Wings

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Am of the opinion that we are innocent until proven guilty. I don't care what the media says, the final decision sits with the courts of law. If they find us guilty then whatever punishment is meted out will be justified. For one if we had any influence on the CL then surely the least we could do is win atleast more than once in the last 10 years!
However it would be a disgrace for all concerned if they try to sweep everything under the carpet to 'save' calcio.
 

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