++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++
Ok Nick
Firstly, bottles/balloons of piss were being thrown in both directions... something that is very common in italy... So dont make out it was only juve fans... Go see Milan - inter, sit with the inter fans and see how much piss you get drenched in.
Secondly, how come you dont mention the tier gas cannistors thrown by milan fans at centro juve
You dont mention the flares fired into centro (admittedly they were returned jus as bad)
The chairs thrown from tier 3 into tribuna
The fight started by milanista's outside nord 1 entrance after the game.
The simple fact is that these things happen at virtually every game in italy... there are allways fans that do these things.
You dont mention how, when I left the curva after halftime to go sit with my wife in poltroncine, there were several milan fans jumping around cheering with absolutely no problem from the juve fans whatsoever.
Be reasonable...
I admit juve fans were out of line at times, but the milan fans were equally bad and worse in the case of the tier gas
MY VERSION OF EVENTS:
The Gobbi's are renound for being "cavemen" Paul. Firstly, yes I was sitting in the heat of the action and I did throw some stuff back..a few blue seats that were hell to rip from the metal. I was on the second level/tier very close to the gates (seperating gates). So across from me was the Gobbi bastards yelling before we even arrived. The neo-Nazi Juventini above were already plastered and brandishing knives (criminals) and YES some of the losers in our section responded with more "brandishing" of armor.
The bottle throwing began at about 18:30 ... my New York slang cursing didn't help much as they couldn't understand what the fok I was saying.
Then along came the Gobbi's with fruit, ballons filled with piss

one dude got it right on the back and another Gobbis got it right in the ears. I basically hovered under my hood. Though one vegetable hit me in the shoulder to which I responded with a chair or two. (yeah yeah so what I was not thinking).
The real party began when our "cavalry" arrived at about 7:30 (one hour before game time) I speak of the FDL leaders, Brigate and Tigre .. it was at this point as they entered that I remember the fights began PAUL..and not instigated by the Devils as you suggested. Again I don't know what went on because all I heard was rumbles with red flares sparking up.
The tear gas only began once the police cars were set aflame by either the cavalry or the Gobbi's.. there are different versions on this one. Never got the real story.
The Real SHIT hit the fan a few minutes later when coins and ****in rotten fruit and piss began flying onto us to which we responded with a few surprises of our own...EGGS ANYONE...after getting another rotten friggin fruit in the neck I responded with some eggs. The cops quickly "settled" the Gobbis and things stopped flying.
I regret what went on but it was kill or be killed at that point..when you are ducking from piss, fruit and metal you are not thinking straight.
Whatever happened everywhere else Paul..I don't know...but when I was receiving that shite in my face I was not thinking about who was right or wrong..