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Martin

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It's nice to reach out...


Bush's Faustian Deal With the Taliban
By Robert Scheer
Published May 22, 2001 in the Los Angeles Times


Enslave your girls and women, harbor anti-U.S. terrorists, destroy every vestige of civilization in your homeland, and the Bush administration will embrace you. All that matters is that you line up as an ally in the drug war, the only international cause that this nation still takes seriously.

That's the message sent with the recent gift of $43 million to the Taliban rulers of Afghanistan, the most virulent anti-American violators of human rights in the world today. The gift, announced last Thursday by Secretary of State Colin Powell, in addition to other recent aid, makes the U.S. the main sponsor of the Taliban and rewards that "rogue regime" for declaring that opium growing is against the will of God. So, too, by the Taliban's estimation, are most human activities, but it's the ban on drugs that catches this administration's attention.

Never mind that Osama bin Laden still operates the leading anti-American terror operation from his base in Afghanistan, from which, among other crimes, he launched two bloody attacks on American embassies in Africa in 1998.

Sadly, the Bush administration is cozying up to the Taliban regime at a time when the United Nations, at U.S. insistence, imposes sanctions on Afghanistan because the Kabul government will not turn over Bin Laden.

The war on drugs has become our own fanatics' obsession and easily trumps all other concerns. How else could we come to reward the Taliban, who has subjected the female half of the Afghan population to a continual reign of terror in a country once considered enlightened in its treatment of women?

At no point in modern history have women and girls been more systematically abused than in Afghanistan where, in the name of madness masquerading as Islam, the government in Kabul obliterates their fundamental human rights. Women may not appear in public without being covered from head to toe with the oppressive shroud called the burkha , and they may not leave the house without being accompanied by a male family member. They've not been permitted to attend school or be treated by male doctors, yet women have been banned from practicing medicine or any profession for that matter.

The lot of males is better if they blindly accept the laws of an extreme religious theocracy that prescribes strict rules governing all behavior, from a ban on shaving to what crops may be grown. It is this last power that has captured the enthusiasm of the Bush White House.

The Taliban fanatics, economically and diplomatically isolated, are at the breaking point, and so, in return for a pittance of legitimacy and cash from the Bush administration, they have been willing to appear to reverse themselves on the growing of opium. That a totalitarian country can effectively crack down on its farmers is not surprising. But it is grotesque for a U.S. official, James P. Callahan, director of the State Department's Asian anti-drug program, to describe the Taliban's special methods in the language of representative democracy: "The Taliban used a system of consensus-building," Callahan said after a visit with the Taliban, adding that the Taliban justified the ban on drugs "in very religious terms."

Of course, Callahan also reported, those who didn't obey the theocratic edict would be sent to prison.

In a country where those who break minor rules are simply beaten on the spot by religious police and others are stoned to death, it's understandable that the government's "religious" argument might be compelling. Even if it means, as Callahan concedes, that most of the farmers who grew the poppies will now confront starvation. That's because the Afghan economy has been ruined by the religious extremism of the Taliban, making the attraction of opium as a previously tolerated quick cash crop overwhelming.

For that reason, the opium ban will not last unless the U.S. is willing to pour far larger amounts of money into underwriting the Afghan economy.

As the Drug Enforcement Administration's Steven Casteel admitted, "The bad side of the ban is that it's bringing their country--or certain regions of their country--to economic ruin." Nor did he hold out much hope for Afghan farmers growing other crops such as wheat, which require a vast infrastructure to supply water and fertilizer that no longer exists in that devastated country. There's little doubt that the Taliban will turn once again to the easily taxed cash crop of opium in order to stay in power.

The Taliban may suddenly be the dream regime of our own war drug war zealots, but in the end this alliance will prove a costly failure. Our long sad history of signing up dictators in the war on drugs demonstrates the futility of building a foreign policy on a domestic obsession.

http://www.robertscheer.com/1_natcolumn/01_columns/052201.htm
 

Martin

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aaaaaaaaand game. I'm just in a reddit kind of mood tonight. But I bring good news. Torture is back on! :superhapp

Another win for the Senate, gotta love those people's representatives.

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Habeas Corpus, R.I.P. (1215 - 2006)
With a smug stroke of his pen, President Bush is set to wipe out a safeguard against illegal imprisonment that has endured as a cornerstone of legal justice since the Magna Carta.
by Molly Ivins

AUSTIN, Texas - Oh dear. I’m sure he didn’t mean it. In Illinois’ Sixth Congressional District, long represented by Henry Hyde, Republican candidate Peter Roskam accused his Democratic opponent, Tammy Duckworth, of planning to “cut and run” on Iraq.

Duckworth is a former Army major and chopper pilot who lost both legs in Iraq after her helicopter got hit by an RPG. “I just could not believe he would say that to me,” said Duckworth, who walks on artificial legs and uses a cane. Every election cycle produces some wincers, but how do you apologize for that one?

The legislative equivalent of that remark is the detainee bill now being passed by Congress. Beloveds, this is so much worse than even that pathetic deal reached last Thursday between the White House and Republican Sens. John Warner, John McCain and Lindsey Graham. The White House has since reinserted a number of “technical fixes” that were the point of the putative “compromise.” It leaves the president with the power to decide who is an enemy combatant.

This bill is not a national security issue—this is about torturing helpless human beings without any proof they are our enemies. Perhaps this could be considered if we knew the administration would use the power with enormous care and thoughtfulness. But of the over 700 prisoners sent to Gitmo, only 10 have ever been formally charged with anything. Among other things, this bill is a CYA for torture of the innocent that has already taken place.

Death by torture by Americans was first reported in 2003 in a New York Times article by Carlotta Gall. The military had announced the prisoner died of a heart attack, but when Gall saw the death certificate, written in English and issued by the military, it said the cause of death was homicide. The “heart attack” came after he had been beaten so often on this legs that they had “basically been pulpified,” according to the coroner.

The story of why and how it took the Times so long to print this information is in the current edition of the Columbia Journalism Review. The press in general has been late and slow in reporting torture, so very few Americans have any idea how far it has spread. As is often true in hierarchical, top-down institutions, the orders get passed on in what I call the downward communications exaggeration spiral.

For example, on a newspaper, a top editor may remark casually, “Let’s give the new mayor a chance to see what he can do before we start attacking him.”

This gets passed on as “Don’t touch the mayor unless he really screws up.”

And it ultimately arrives at the reporter level as “We can’t say anything negative about the mayor.”

The version of the detainee bill now in the Senate not only undoes much of the McCain-Warner-Graham work, but it is actually much worse than the administration’s first proposal. In one change, the original compromise language said a suspect had the right to “examine and respond to” all evidence used against him. The three senators said the clause was necessary to avoid secret trials. The bill has now dropped the word “examine” and left only “respond to.”

In another change, a clause said that evidence obtained outside the United States could be admitted in court even if it had been gathered without a search warrant. But the bill now drops the words “outside the United States,” which means prosecutors can ignore American legal standards on warrants.

The bill also expands the definition of an unlawful enemy combatant to cover anyone who has “has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States.” Quick, define “purposefully and materially.” One person has already been charged with aiding terrorists because he sold a satellite TV package that includes the Hezbollah network.

The bill simply removes a suspect’s right to challenge his detention in court. This is a rule of law that goes back to the Magna Carta in 1215. That pretty much leaves the barn door open.

As Vladimir Bukovsky, the Soviet dissident, wrote, an intelligence service free to torture soon “degenerates into a playground for sadists.” But not unbridled sadism—you will be relieved that the compromise took out the words permitting interrogation involving “severe pain” and substituted “serious pain,” which is defined as “bodily injury that involves extreme physical pain.”

In July 2003, George Bush said in a speech: “The United States is committed to worldwide elimination of torture, and we are leading this fight by example. Freedom from torture is an inalienable human right. Yet torture continues to be practiced around the world by rogue regimes, whose cruel methods match their determination to crush the human spirit.”

Fellow citizens, this bill throws out legal and moral restraints as the president deems it necessary—these are fundamental principles of basic decency, as well as law.

I’d like those supporting this evil bill to spare me one affliction: Do not, please, pretend to be shocked by the consequences of this legislation. And do not pretend to be shocked when the world begins comparing us to the Nazis.

To find out more about Molly Ivins and see works by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate website at www.creators.com.

Copyright 2006 TruthDig

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0928-20.htm

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Fantastic that the government can now torture its own citizens. Of course, as usual, "those who have nothing to hide, have nothing to fear". :thumbs: But since those scary terrorists are trying to destroy the "way of life" and take away all our rights, it's fantastic that we, as the freest nation on earth, now allow torture. Isn't that really one of the fundamental freedoms? :star:
 

Martin

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Here's a follow-up from the evil, liberal, leftist, communist, anti-American New York Times.

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September 28, 2006
Editorial
Rushing Off a Cliff

Here’s what happens when this irresponsible Congress railroads a profoundly important bill to serve the mindless politics of a midterm election: The Bush administration uses Republicans’ fear of losing their majority to push through ghastly ideas about antiterrorism that will make American troops less safe and do lasting damage to our 217-year-old nation of laws — while actually doing nothing to protect the nation from terrorists. Democrats betray their principles to avoid last-minute attack ads. Our democracy is the big loser.

Republicans say Congress must act right now to create procedures for charging and trying terrorists — because the men accused of plotting the 9/11 attacks are available for trial. That’s pure propaganda. Those men could have been tried and convicted long ago, but President Bush chose not to. He held them in illegal detention, had them questioned in ways that will make real trials very hard, and invented a transparently illegal system of kangaroo courts to convict them.

It was only after the Supreme Court issued the inevitable ruling striking down Mr. Bush’s shadow penal system that he adopted his tone of urgency. It serves a cynical goal: Republican strategists think they can win this fall, not by passing a good law but by forcing Democrats to vote against a bad one so they could be made to look soft on terrorism.

Last week, the White House and three Republican senators announced a terrible deal on this legislation that gave Mr. Bush most of what he wanted, including a blanket waiver for crimes Americans may have committed in the service of his antiterrorism policies. Then Vice President Dick Cheney and his willing lawmakers rewrote the rest of the measure so that it would give Mr. Bush the power to jail pretty much anyone he wants for as long as he wants without charging them, to unilaterally reinterpret the Geneva Conventions, to authorize what normal people consider torture, and to deny justice to hundreds of men captured in error.

These are some of the bill’s biggest flaws:

Enemy Combatants: A dangerously broad definition of “illegal enemy combatant” in the bill could subject legal residents of the United States, as well as foreign citizens living in their own countries, to summary arrest and indefinite detention with no hope of appeal. The president could give the power to apply this label to anyone he wanted. [faaaaaaaaantastic!]

The Geneva Conventions: The bill would repudiate a half-century of international precedent by allowing Mr. Bush to decide on his own what abusive interrogation methods he considered permissible. And his decision could stay secret — there’s no requirement that this list be published.

Habeas Corpus: Detainees in U.S. military prisons would lose the basic right to challenge their imprisonment. These cases do not clog the courts, nor coddle terrorists. They simply give wrongly imprisoned people a chance to prove their innocence.

Judicial Review: The courts would have no power to review any aspect of this new system, except verdicts by military tribunals. The bill would limit appeals and bar legal actions based on the Geneva Conventions, directly or indirectly. All Mr. Bush would have to do to lock anyone up forever is to declare him an illegal combatant and not have a trial.

Coerced Evidence: Coerced evidence would be permissible if a judge considered it reliable — already a contradiction in terms — and relevant. Coercion is defined in a way that exempts anything done before the passage of the 2005 Detainee Treatment Act, and anything else Mr. Bush chooses.

Secret Evidence: American standards of justice prohibit evidence and testimony that is kept secret from the defendant, whether the accused is a corporate executive or a mass murderer. But the bill as redrafted by Mr. Cheney seems to weaken protections against such evidence.

Offenses: The definition of torture is unacceptably narrow, a virtual reprise of the deeply cynical memos the administration produced after 9/11. Rape and sexual assault are defined in a retrograde way that covers only forced or coerced activity, and not other forms of nonconsensual sex. The bill would effectively eliminate the idea of rape as torture. [fun fun fun]

•There is not enough time to fix these bills, especially since the few Republicans who call themselves moderates have been whipped into line, and the Democratic leadership in the Senate seems to have misplaced its spine. If there was ever a moment for a filibuster, this was it.

We don’t blame the Democrats for being frightened. The Republicans have made it clear that they’ll use any opportunity to brand anyone who votes against this bill as a terrorist enabler. But Americans of the future won’t remember the pragmatic arguments for caving in to the administration.

They’ll know that in 2006, Congress passed a tyrannical law that will be ranked with the low points in American democracy, our generation’s version of the Alien and Sedition Acts.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/28/o...410944ff9&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
 

swag

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All this talk about serious politics and all...

After walking back to the office past the Gold Club after going out to meet a friend for a coffee break, all I have to say is...

You ever see those new NFL Monday Night Football commercials about the glory of Monday, i.e., "Is it Monday yet"? I can top that with, "Is it Friday yet?"

Friday... when you can eat a five dollar lunch buffet between chicks on poles doing the bump and grind. Friday -- where you can be covered in tits and fried chicken at a mere 50 cents a tit. (Or a dollar a chicken leg, depending on how you look at it. :confused:) That is heaven, my friends.

Liquor in front
Poker in the rear


Whoever wrote that? It's poetry to my ears. :toast:
 
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    swag said:
    All this talk about serious politics and all...

    After walking back to the office past the Gold Club after going out to meet a friend for a coffee break, all I have to say is...

    You ever see those new NFL Monday Night Football commercials about the glory of Monday, i.e., "Is it Monday yet"? I can top that with, "Is it Friday yet?"

    Friday... when you can eat a five dollar lunch buffet between chicks on poles doing the bump and grind. Friday -- where you can be covered in tits and fried chicken at a mere 50 cents a tit. (Or a dollar a chicken leg, depending on how you look at it. :confused:) That is heaven, my friends.

    Liquor in front
    Poker in the rear


    Whoever wrote that? It's poetry to my ears. :toast:
    Had the best fried chicken and grits in Knoxville located in the scratch ass state of Tennessee....Big Chip's Diner also gave you a complimentary hand towel just to show their appreciation. Big Chip's was located off the main road somewhere between nowhere and good-bye.

    Ah the memories.
     

    swag

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    Wanna know my Tennessee story? Driving from Chapel Hill, NC back to SF one year, I drove up north from Winston-Salem and headed through just a brief, 7-mile stretch of TN at the easternmost tip.

    Crossing the border from NC into TN, I saw nothing but miles and miles of lawn gnomes for sale along the side of the road. By the time I exited Tennessee and ended up in Virginia, the lawn gnomes stop. I only got to thinking that stretch was like casinos in Nevada -- where Tennessee is the only state for miles that didn't ban the sale of lawn gnomes. So everyone from all around drove down to pick theirs up.



    As for fried chicken with a complimentary hand towel... that takes on a whole different meaning over at the Gold Club.
     
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    swag said:
    Wanna know my Tennessee story? Driving from Chapel Hill, NC back to SF one year, I drove up north from Winston-Salem and headed through just a brief, 7-mile stretch of TN at the easternmost tip.

    Crossing the border from NC into TN, I saw nothing but miles and miles of lawn gnomes for sale along the side of the road. By the time I exited Tennessee and ended up in Virginia, the lawn gnomes stop. I only got to thinking that stretch was like casinos in Nevada -- where Tennessee is the only state for miles that didn't ban the sale of lawn gnomes. So everyone from all around drove down to pick theirs up.



    As for fried chicken with a complimentary hand towel... that takes on a whole different meaning over at the Gold Club.

    FLY TRAVELOCITY!!!
     
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    ßömßärdîër said:
    FLY TRAVELOCITY!!!
    The best memories and greatest experiences you can have is headin in yer general lee and hittin the pavement Burkester...

    only people you meet flying are stressed out business types. families and horny flight attendants over 45 who want to pretend they don't like to be stared at.

    That and George Clooney....I once sat next to Batman himself on a flight
     
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    IncuboRossonero

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    Pado, it seems the Boss is just bored (just like Ancelotti) of watching grown men play games...he longs for the day when he can unleash an asswhippin on the boy from Jersey once again

    :pint:


    Glory Days
     
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    ßömßärdîër said:
    Did you really sit next to George?

    Yes, I was on a flight from LA to NY and he was next me. It was a red eye (overnight) and it was already delayed two hours ... everyone was dead tired. I gave him the double look when I sat down..he was pretending to read a magazine. He gave me the courteous nod (whats up). At one point I saw him trying to get the attendants attention so I asked "want me to call her?" He said 'no its ok' but I could tell he thought 'ahh fuck not an eager wanting to please fan'. So I said "Look, I know who you are...make you a deal...I won't bother you and you let me sleep and maybe snore and its all good..yeah?" He shook my hand and said "If I was the marrying type you would be best man material".

    Unlike Pado I didn't proceed to whip his arse.

    Years later I rang his doorbell at the Lake Como residence and asked if his 'best man' could use the can to take a wicked dump but he slammed the door ;)
     

    Vinman

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    IncuboRossonero said:
    Had the best fried chicken and grits in Knoxville located in the scratch ass state of Tennessee....Big Chip's Diner also gave you a complimentary hand towel just to show their appreciation. Big Chip's was located off the main road somewhere between nowhere and good-bye.

    Ah the memories.
    I guess the best question here is what the hell were you doing in Tennessee ??

    The northern part of West Virginia is the farthest "south" I've been...any further would be like a scene out of the movie "my cousin Vinny" :D
     

    The Pado

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    IncuboRossonero said:
    Pado, it seems the Boss is just bored (just like Ancelotti) of watching grown men play games...he longs for the day when he can unleash an asswhippin on the boy from Jersey once again
    Yes, but Bruce didn't beat me. I began by sucker-punching some sap called Marc Cohen. After I dropped him, an equally boozey Bruce jumped in and delivered one, or perhaps two kicks, to the fallen Cohen. He ran out and I followed. Bruce always knew the best places to hide.
     

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