Next years CL seeding (1 Viewer)
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Guys i have a question....We know that countries like spain, england and italy have 4 spots in champions league, can this number change or is it fixed? I mean recently english clubs were doing bitter than both spain and italy (i mean number of teams reaching semi's and final) so will they have bigger number of clubs in europe (like 5-6 clubs maybe in future) and both italy and spain have lesser like 3 clubs maybe?!!!
I don't think they can have more than 4 spots, but If Italy keeps the performance this way (like this year), Italy can lose the 4th spot, and maybe other country can have 3 spots instead of 2, or 2 instead of 1.
These are being calculated by the last 5 or 6 years' performances of each country, they make a standing, and spread the spots that way. But I think top 3 will always have 4 teams in CL, I don't think they will change that (by giving the top 2 or top Country 5 seeds).
These are being calculated by the last 5 or 6 years' performances of each country, they make a standing, and spread the spots that way. But I think top 3 will always have 4 teams in CL, I don't think they will change that (by giving the top 2 or top Country 5 seeds).
I didn't know they're calculated last 5 or 6years. Interesting I must say. But If thats the case I doubt Italy will be reduced into three. Considering the final that we had with Ac Milan 2003 and considering The Three Finals made by Ac Milan.
Anyway, It also depends on the likes of Inter and Roma. But yea, everything is possible.
Anyway, It also depends on the likes of Inter and Roma. But yea, everything is possible.
Well, I think his idea was, that more leagues were guaranteed 1 place in CL, rather than increasing the total number (i.e. Romania would be guaranteed a spot in the CL groups, rather than being sent into the qualifying rounds).
As for the idea itself, I'm still undecided on the issue. If Platini really does reach the goals he has set (improving the quality of football in "weaker" countries), than it's great, as that would lead to a more competitive CL and more competitive leagues in general. I just don't see a way to achieve them.
As for the idea itself, I'm still undecided on the issue. If Platini really does reach the goals he has set (improving the quality of football in "weaker" countries), than it's great, as that would lead to a more competitive CL and more competitive leagues in general. I just don't see a way to achieve them.
Nothing has changed so far, Romania made a lot of points lately in UEFA cup, therefore they were granted an extra position in CL, so far they only had the rights to send team in qualifiers, now they can send one directly and one in qualifiers.
The system calculates all the points gathered by all the clubs of a nation, but this works both ways, when a country like Italy has many teams, they should all advance making a decent campaign, otherwise they fall back and i think defeats act as negative points, the system allows rising football powers (country wise) to erupt easier...
Platini's system wont work, the big teams wont allow it!!
Those clubs would serve their interests first and if they are not respected, they might go on and form their own CL.
The G14 (Juventus was a part of it) may have been dissolved, but firstly they made some deals with Platini, and got certain that their interests wont be hurt!
The system calculates all the points gathered by all the clubs of a nation, but this works both ways, when a country like Italy has many teams, they should all advance making a decent campaign, otherwise they fall back and i think defeats act as negative points, the system allows rising football powers (country wise) to erupt easier...
Platini's system wont work, the big teams wont allow it!!
Those clubs would serve their interests first and if they are not respected, they might go on and form their own CL.
The G14 (Juventus was a part of it) may have been dissolved, but firstly they made some deals with Platini, and got certain that their interests wont be hurt!
a win in an uefa cup match is worth as much points as a win in a CL match in the Uefa country coeffiecients.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/ccoef2008.html
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/crank2008.html
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/ccoef2008.html
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/crank2008.html
Of course, that's why countries like Romania and Russia are placed so high.
For the discussion above, France will lose way too many points for next year standings because their most successfull season (2003/04) won't be counted next year and Italians have a top3 spot guaranteed for at least 2 more seasons.
As for Juve and the CL seedings, we still have a small chance to find ourselves in pot 2 but Milan and Sevilla failing to qualify for next season's CL is a must and one of the teams above us in the standings must lose in the CL qualifications.
Here are the standings (there won't be anymore changes, no matter how will Chelsea-Man Utd finish) :
1. Chelsea 123.914
2 . AC Milan 119.934
3. Liverpool 118.914
4. FC Barcelona 117.837
5. Arsenal 110.914
6. Manchester United 106.914
7. Sevilla 102.837
8. Olympique Lyon 99.380
9 . Internazionale 96.934
10. Real Madrid 93.837
11. Bayern München 92.078
12. PSV Eindhoven 91.610
13. Villarreal 90.837
14. Newcastle United 84.914
15. Valencia 83.837
16. AS Roma 81.934
17. FC Porto 81.176
18. Benfica 77.176
19. Werder Bremen 74.078
20. AZ Alkmaar 69.610
21. Sporting CP Lisbon 67.176
22. Schalke 04 67.078
23. Juventus 66.934
Teams in BLUE won't play CL for sure
Teams in GREEN will go directly to the group stages
Teams in RED will play CL qualifications.
Milan's and Sevilla's CL participance is pending.
Like i said, in order to find ourselves in pot 2 we must hope that both Milan and Sevilla won't qualify for CL while at least one of Barcelona, Liverpool, Arsenal or Schalke will be eliminated in CLQ 3rd round.
And of course, Juve must eliminate their opponents in CLQ 3rd round.
As things stand right now we'll find ourselves in pot 3 and we'll miss the pot 2 for 1 single position.
At this moment this is how the pots will look :
Pot1: Chelsea, Liverpool, Barcelona, Arsenal, Manchester United, Lyon, Inter, Real Madrid
Pot2: Bayern, PSV Eindhoven, Villareal, Roma, Porto, Werder, Sporting, Schalke 04
Pot3: Juventus ...........................
As for our possible opponent in CL qualifications, we , of course, can't get the teams that are already in CL groups (Man Utd, Chelsea, Real, Villareal, Inter, Roma, Lyon, Bordaux, Bayern, Werder, Porto, Sporting, PSV, Zenit, Rangers/Celtic, Cluj )
We also can't get any of the 15 holders in the 3rd round of CLQ, which at theis moment are these 15 teams (Liverpool, Barcelona, Arsenal, Schalke, Rangers/Celtic, Marselle/Nancy, Steaua, Basel, Ajax (?), Olympiakos, Fenerbahce, Shakhtar Donetsk, Fiorentina, Spartak Moscow, Anderlecht)
Teams that we can play against in the CLQ 3rd round are : Atletico Madrid, Sparta Prague, Dinamo Kiev, AEK Athens, Slavia Prague, Galatasaray, Guimaraes, Standard and the champions of the minor leagues in Europe.
Of course, this is only in case nothing changes in the current league standings and there will be absolutely no surprises in the CLQ opening 2 rounds. Only 1 surprise is needed and Atletico Madrid will be holders in CLQ 3rd round and we won't play them.
For the discussion above, France will lose way too many points for next year standings because their most successfull season (2003/04) won't be counted next year and Italians have a top3 spot guaranteed for at least 2 more seasons.
As for Juve and the CL seedings, we still have a small chance to find ourselves in pot 2 but Milan and Sevilla failing to qualify for next season's CL is a must and one of the teams above us in the standings must lose in the CL qualifications.
Here are the standings (there won't be anymore changes, no matter how will Chelsea-Man Utd finish) :
1. Chelsea 123.914
2 . AC Milan 119.934
3. Liverpool 118.914
4. FC Barcelona 117.837
5. Arsenal 110.914
6. Manchester United 106.914
7. Sevilla 102.837
8. Olympique Lyon 99.380
9 . Internazionale 96.934
10. Real Madrid 93.837
11. Bayern München 92.078
12. PSV Eindhoven 91.610
13. Villarreal 90.837
14. Newcastle United 84.914
15. Valencia 83.837
16. AS Roma 81.934
17. FC Porto 81.176
18. Benfica 77.176
19. Werder Bremen 74.078
20. AZ Alkmaar 69.610
21. Sporting CP Lisbon 67.176
22. Schalke 04 67.078
23. Juventus 66.934
Teams in BLUE won't play CL for sure
Teams in GREEN will go directly to the group stages
Teams in RED will play CL qualifications.
Milan's and Sevilla's CL participance is pending.
Like i said, in order to find ourselves in pot 2 we must hope that both Milan and Sevilla won't qualify for CL while at least one of Barcelona, Liverpool, Arsenal or Schalke will be eliminated in CLQ 3rd round.
And of course, Juve must eliminate their opponents in CLQ 3rd round.
As things stand right now we'll find ourselves in pot 3 and we'll miss the pot 2 for 1 single position.
At this moment this is how the pots will look :
Pot1: Chelsea, Liverpool, Barcelona, Arsenal, Manchester United, Lyon, Inter, Real Madrid
Pot2: Bayern, PSV Eindhoven, Villareal, Roma, Porto, Werder, Sporting, Schalke 04
Pot3: Juventus ...........................
As for our possible opponent in CL qualifications, we , of course, can't get the teams that are already in CL groups (Man Utd, Chelsea, Real, Villareal, Inter, Roma, Lyon, Bordaux, Bayern, Werder, Porto, Sporting, PSV, Zenit, Rangers/Celtic, Cluj )
We also can't get any of the 15 holders in the 3rd round of CLQ, which at theis moment are these 15 teams (Liverpool, Barcelona, Arsenal, Schalke, Rangers/Celtic, Marselle/Nancy, Steaua, Basel, Ajax (?), Olympiakos, Fenerbahce, Shakhtar Donetsk, Fiorentina, Spartak Moscow, Anderlecht)
Teams that we can play against in the CLQ 3rd round are : Atletico Madrid, Sparta Prague, Dinamo Kiev, AEK Athens, Slavia Prague, Galatasaray, Guimaraes, Standard and the champions of the minor leagues in Europe.
Of course, this is only in case nothing changes in the current league standings and there will be absolutely no surprises in the CLQ opening 2 rounds. Only 1 surprise is needed and Atletico Madrid will be holders in CLQ 3rd round and we won't play them.
Hmmm, if that's something that was decided in the last 3 weeks then Arsenal will go directly to CL.
But as far as i know, since this year's winner of the CL would have gone to the CL groups anyway, only 2 teams from one country can play directly in CL.
The situation with Milan last year was different because Milan weren't in top 2 in serie A.
I'll check
But as far as i know, since this year's winner of the CL would have gone to the CL groups anyway, only 2 teams from one country can play directly in CL.
The situation with Milan last year was different because Milan weren't in top 2 in serie A.
I'll check
I just read that Sevilla has no chances to play CL next year, so that's one problem less.
As for Arsenal, they'll play qualifications Jack.
I found this info in many places but the one from Uefa.com is the most reliable
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/news/kind=1/newsid=677787.html
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As for Arsenal, they'll play qualifications Jack.
I found this info in many places but the one from Uefa.com is the most reliable
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/news/kind=1/newsid=677787.html
* Check the access list at the bottom of the page
