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I often think about the internal German resistance in WW II and how they were doubly screwed. Maybe being a traitor there wasn't as bad as being a Jew. But they earned both the hatred of their countrymen as traitors while also earning the hatred of the rest of the world who labelled them with all the same atrocities of the people they opposed and despised.

Whenever someone says, "Yeah, that red/blue state deserves it, they asked for it", I'm offended for not only the callous reductionism, but also for the condemnation of the very same people they'd agree with -- only having failed by living next to a majority of voters who they disagreed with.

It's another form of erasing and condemning minorities ... but in this case, political minorities.
 

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swag said:
But this just creates a society that believes in direct causality, the lying bitch. That no outcomes are systemic but a single direct outcome of one factor: a vote for one politician, a vote on a ballot, etc. Reductionist clown car material right there.

That because someone clicked "yes" on voting for Proposition H or whatever, they deserve to be murdered. And so do all their neighbors who voted "no" but didn't win a majority. So f* you all.

That is a doomed society.
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Your country elected a president, because he said he would be the bestest president ever. He didn't make promises that would make him the best president ever, if he kept them. He didn't present a plan. He didn't say why he would be the president or even explained how you could rate presidents in the first place. He just said he would be the bestest president.

I don't intend to insult anyone. But just how stupid are you, if that is all you need to vote on a person?
 
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Seven said:
Your country elected a president, because he said he would be the bestest president ever. He didn't make promises that would make him the best president ever, if he kept them. He didn't present a plan. He didn't say why he would be the president or even explained how you could rate presidents in the first place. He just said he would be the bestest president.

I don't intend to insult anyone. But just how stupid are you, if that is all you need to vote on a person?
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Trump had a lot of proposed plans, and to his credit, he actually followed through with most of them.
- tax cuts
- border wall (congress stopped him but he used some of the pentagon money for portions of the wall)
- Muslim ban
- put conservatives on the Supreme Court
And so on.
 
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Trump's greatest value was as a sh*t-disturber. Basically a wrecking ball. That's not the best way to govern. But there is a little truth to what Thomas Jefferson alluded to in the US Constitution needing to be blown up and replaced every 19 years. Governments create bureaucracy and stasis, and the ideal would be to have more mini-revolutions than full-on bloodshed every few decades.

And I honestly don't believe Trump cares about conservatives as much as he cares about himself and his own glorification. The guy still believes he's the subject of a reality TV show. The Supreme Court is a long-term, strategic move from GOP operatives. Trump ain't got no time or attention for that, given he's distracted by the nearest poontang or the size of his hands in the mirror.
 
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Seven said:
Your country elected a president, because he said he would be the bestest president ever. He didn't make promises that would make him the best president ever, if he kept them. He didn't present a plan. He didn't say why he would be the president or even explained how you could rate presidents in the first place. He just said he would be the bestest president.

I don't intend to insult anyone. But just how stupid are you, if that is all you need to vote on a person?
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I understand why people voted for trump, completely get it and it’s a valid choice. Anti-establishment, etc etc.

But supporting the guy after January 6th is dogshit attitude. In that case, those people are better off moving to Russia
 
Seven

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I understand why people voted for trump, completely get it and it’s a valid choice. Anti-establishment, etc etc.

But supporting the guy after January 6th is dogshit attitude. In that case, those people are better off moving to Russia
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You know, I actually believe January 6th showed that, at the end of the day, America's democratic foundations are strong.

They were challenged to the core and they held.

But that's also why I'm so surprised Trump wasn't dropped by every supporter he had afterwards.

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Seven said:
You know, I actually believe January 6th showed that, at the end of the day, America's democratic foundations are strong.

They were challenged to the core and they held.

But that's also why I'm so surprised Trump wasn't dropped by every supporter he had afterwards.

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I think it’s due to a lot of his supporters not being as pro-American as they are pro-self. He’s basically the example of how a lot on the right wish they could be.
 

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I think it’s due to a lot of his supporters not being as pro-American as they are pro-self. He’s basically the example of how a lot on the right wish they could be.
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I think the fall of the Qanon movement was pretty revealing of who many of those people are. Once their deadlines never came, did they direct any of that energy/ movement towards going out and fighting actual child trafficking? Or at least raise money for a charity?

lol no turns out when there's no game to play, when there's no way to get Hilary Clinton and reinforce all of their beliefs/ world view, those people don't give a shit about child trafficking in the slightest
 
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Seven said:
You know, I actually believe January 6th showed that, at the end of the day, America's democratic foundations are strong.

They were challenged to the core and they held.

But that's also why I'm so surprised Trump wasn't dropped by every supporter he had afterwards.

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I've taken a long time to come to the realization that 20% of the population in almost any social climate or culture wants a dictator. And that's especially true in times of uncertainty and complexity.

Humans have a thing for daddy figures who will look out for and save them when they feel powerless themselves - as long as they express their fealty. It's true of presidents, it's true of religious leaders and their relationship with God, it's true of capos of the Italian mafia, it's true of drug lords and their relationships with the local poor (see: Pablo Escobar and the Medellin slums).

Complexity, negotiation, democracy become too messy with too many constituents, so unilateral might-makes-right satisfies the impulsive desire for false simplicity. That unilateral, my-way-or-the-highway approach is what fosters populism and the Tea Party.

But the US barely held on by its fingernails. There were single points of failure all around from Miley to Pence to Georgia's Raffensperger to Arizona's Richer. They managed to hold.

Against a more competent, Machiavellian wannabe dictator who is at least smart enough to befriend the military before attempting a coup, I am far less sure. If we had an American Putin instead of Trump involved, we'd all be questioning why General Miley's plane-crash body was littered with grenade fragments right now.

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I think the fall of the Qanon movement was pretty revealing of who many of those people are. Once their deadlines never came, did they direct any of that energy/ movement towards going out and fighting actual child trafficking? Or at least raise money for a charity?

lol no turns out when there's no game to play, when there's no way to get Hilary Clinton and reinforce all of their beliefs/ world view, those people don't give a shit about child trafficking in the slightest
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So explain why Diane Feinstein was kept alive so long on the blood of babies in the basement of Comet Ping Pong.
 
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