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L'autista
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The first thing that comes to mind is the whole car break-in thing, where people just leave their doors unlocked to avoid have to replace windows OR people doing that and coming back to people sleeping in the back seat sounds wild to me.
As an SF resident for over 20 years, I can tell you that is true. And it was true 15 years ago too. I would walk the streets and see broken car glass everywhere from the night before. This is in no way a new phenomenon.

Some said then, as perhaps now, it's related to the lower criminalization of car break-ins when voters voted on a state proposition to stop filling the prisons so much.

But then causality is a lying bitch.

If I were choosing to live in a city in North America, I’d live in liberal Vancouver over any other city. And the choice wouldn’t be very difficult.
Vancouver has gotten way rougher, bruh. And it's not just because of their safe drug use sites.

Almost all cities are dem run.
And then there's the Republican-run Jacksonville, Florida, the crime-free paradise of all free men.

a guy I work with told me California is nothing but illegals, crime and legal pedophilia. He’s currently on a trip to Disney with his entire family
Reminds me of 30 years ago when I worked in an office in Maryland and a coworker's officemate went off on how he wanted to burn down all the cities and kill all the darkies to improve society.

id argue that being anywhere not named Provo could possibly lead to death or dismemberment, most like by packs of minorities. if we’re going by statistics
And you know my Provo story: auto repair fraud capital of America.

It’s the liberal cities politicians and political activists/elites that pontificate one thing about “they just want a better life” until that seeking a better life is at their door…then it’s magically “we need to figure out a border solution”.
Which, to the conservative credit, has been effective, IMO.

rub their F-big noses in it. It’s what they and the people that voted for them deserve.
But this just creates a society that believes in direct causality, the lying bitch. That no outcomes are systemic but a single direct outcome of one factor: a vote for one politician, a vote on a ballot, etc. Reductionist clown car material right there.

That because someone clicked "yes" on voting for Proposition H or whatever, they deserve to be murdered. And so do all their neighbors who voted "no" but didn't win a majority. So f* you all.

That is a doomed society.
 

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L'autista
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I often think about the internal German resistance in WW II and how they were doubly screwed. Maybe being a traitor there wasn't as bad as being a Jew. But they earned both the hatred of their countrymen as traitors while also earning the hatred of the rest of the world who labelled them with all the same atrocities of the people they opposed and despised.

Whenever someone says, "Yeah, that red/blue state deserves it, they asked for it", I'm offended for not only the callous reductionism, but also for the condemnation of the very same people they'd agree with -- only having failed by living next to a majority of voters who they disagreed with.

It's another form of erasing and condemning minorities ... but in this case, political minorities.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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But this just creates a society that believes in direct causality, the lying bitch. That no outcomes are systemic but a single direct outcome of one factor: a vote for one politician, a vote on a ballot, etc. Reductionist clown car material right there.

That because someone clicked "yes" on voting for Proposition H or whatever, they deserve to be murdered. And so do all their neighbors who voted "no" but didn't win a majority. So f* you all.

That is a doomed society.
Your country elected a president, because he said he would be the bestest president ever. He didn't make promises that would make him the best president ever, if he kept them. He didn't present a plan. He didn't say why he would be the president or even explained how you could rate presidents in the first place. He just said he would be the bestest president.

I don't intend to insult anyone. But just how stupid are you, if that is all you need to vote on a person?
 

Ronn

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Your country elected a president, because he said he would be the bestest president ever. He didn't make promises that would make him the best president ever, if he kept them. He didn't present a plan. He didn't say why he would be the president or even explained how you could rate presidents in the first place. He just said he would be the bestest president.

I don't intend to insult anyone. But just how stupid are you, if that is all you need to vote on a person?
Trump had a lot of proposed plans, and to his credit, he actually followed through with most of them.
- tax cuts
- border wall (congress stopped him but he used some of the pentagon money for portions of the wall)
- Muslim ban
- put conservatives on the Supreme Court
And so on.
 

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L'autista
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Trump's greatest value was as a sh*t-disturber. Basically a wrecking ball. That's not the best way to govern. But there is a little truth to what Thomas Jefferson alluded to in the US Constitution needing to be blown up and replaced every 19 years. Governments create bureaucracy and stasis, and the ideal would be to have more mini-revolutions than full-on bloodshed every few decades.

And I honestly don't believe Trump cares about conservatives as much as he cares about himself and his own glorification. The guy still believes he's the subject of a reality TV show. The Supreme Court is a long-term, strategic move from GOP operatives. Trump ain't got no time or attention for that, given he's distracted by the nearest poontang or the size of his hands in the mirror.
 

ALC

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Your country elected a president, because he said he would be the bestest president ever. He didn't make promises that would make him the best president ever, if he kept them. He didn't present a plan. He didn't say why he would be the president or even explained how you could rate presidents in the first place. He just said he would be the bestest president.

I don't intend to insult anyone. But just how stupid are you, if that is all you need to vote on a person?
I understand why people voted for trump, completely get it and it’s a valid choice. Anti-establishment, etc etc.

But supporting the guy after January 6th is dogshit attitude. In that case, those people are better off moving to Russia
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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I understand why people voted for trump, completely get it and it’s a valid choice. Anti-establishment, etc etc.

But supporting the guy after January 6th is dogshit attitude. In that case, those people are better off moving to Russia
You know, I actually believe January 6th showed that, at the end of the day, America's democratic foundations are strong.

They were challenged to the core and they held.

But that's also why I'm so surprised Trump wasn't dropped by every supporter he had afterwards.

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You know, I actually believe January 6th showed that, at the end of the day, America's democratic foundations are strong.

They were challenged to the core and they held.

But that's also why I'm so surprised Trump wasn't dropped by every supporter he had afterwards.

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I think it’s due to a lot of his supporters not being as pro-American as they are pro-self. He’s basically the example of how a lot on the right wish they could be.
 

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I think it’s due to a lot of his supporters not being as pro-American as they are pro-self. He’s basically the example of how a lot on the right wish they could be.
I think the fall of the Qanon movement was pretty revealing of who many of those people are. Once their deadlines never came, did they direct any of that energy/ movement towards going out and fighting actual child trafficking? Or at least raise money for a charity?

lol no turns out when there's no game to play, when there's no way to get Hilary Clinton and reinforce all of their beliefs/ world view, those people don't give a shit about child trafficking in the slightest
 

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L'autista
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You know, I actually believe January 6th showed that, at the end of the day, America's democratic foundations are strong.

They were challenged to the core and they held.

But that's also why I'm so surprised Trump wasn't dropped by every supporter he had afterwards.

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I've taken a long time to come to the realization that 20% of the population in almost any social climate or culture wants a dictator. And that's especially true in times of uncertainty and complexity.

Humans have a thing for daddy figures who will look out for and save them when they feel powerless themselves - as long as they express their fealty. It's true of presidents, it's true of religious leaders and their relationship with God, it's true of capos of the Italian mafia, it's true of drug lords and their relationships with the local poor (see: Pablo Escobar and the Medellin slums).

Complexity, negotiation, democracy become too messy with too many constituents, so unilateral might-makes-right satisfies the impulsive desire for false simplicity. That unilateral, my-way-or-the-highway approach is what fosters populism and the Tea Party.

But the US barely held on by its fingernails. There were single points of failure all around from Miley to Pence to Georgia's Raffensperger to Arizona's Richer. They managed to hold.

Against a more competent, Machiavellian wannabe dictator who is at least smart enough to befriend the military before attempting a coup, I am far less sure. If we had an American Putin instead of Trump involved, we'd all be questioning why General Miley's plane-crash body was littered with grenade fragments right now.

I think the fall of the Qanon movement was pretty revealing of who many of those people are. Once their deadlines never came, did they direct any of that energy/ movement towards going out and fighting actual child trafficking? Or at least raise money for a charity?

lol no turns out when there's no game to play, when there's no way to get Hilary Clinton and reinforce all of their beliefs/ world view, those people don't give a shit about child trafficking in the slightest
So explain why Diane Feinstein was kept alive so long on the blood of babies in the basement of Comet Ping Pong.
 

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