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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Why do Muricans keep voting for these undead zombies anyway?

Feinstein doesn't even have agency over her bank account, let alone her own bowels or the Senate Judiciary Committee.
 

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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Doesn’t California have jingle primaries? Why is there no other democrat to challenge her?
From what I recall for at least the past 10-15 years in California, there's always been a vocal minority that's like, "Retire beeoytch! Enjoy life. You're dragging us down!"

But they get drowned out by the mainstreamers who see her as a familiar, easier route to Democratic re-election of the Senate position. Pretty much the same forces that got Biden to win the Democrat primaries in 2020.

Just another case and point for term limits.
 

Ronn

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From what I recall for at least the past 10-15 years in California, there's always been a vocal minority that's like, "Retire beeoytch! Enjoy life. You're dragging us down!"

But they get drowned out by the mainstreamers who see her as a familiar, easier route to Democratic re-election of the Senate position. Pretty much the same forces that got Biden to win the Democrat primaries in 2020.

Just another case and point for term limits.
Her 2018 opponent in the general election was a democrat. Still lost by 8 points.
 

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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Her 2018 opponent in the general election was a democrat. Still lost by 8 points.
That's on the voters. Even if you argue that Cali could put forward a better Democratic challenger, they still voted for the woman who needs to eat from a tube.

That also reflects power and influence of the politician and not just the role though. Having representation by a geriatric who accumulated lots of committee seats and political power isn't exactly an equal exchange for a freshman Senator who still hasn't made any alliances on the Hill yet.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Americans have no major reason to be pessimistic about the future of their country imo. The popular notion of "all this lost, everyone corrupt and elections don't matter" is everpresent. It's tiresome, but it was always there and always will be.
In a sense I believe there is great cause for optimism, because there are quite a few ways society could change for the better and Americans seem to be rallying behind those solutions. Mostly I'm looking at stuff like universal healthcare and better minimum wages. These are things that could have a massive impact on American society.

I realise these changes won't happen overnight, but with healthcare in particular people were screaming "communism" just a few years ago. Today most accept it's just the way forward.
 

Kopanja

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Jul 30, 2015
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In a sense I believe there is great cause for optimism, because there are quite a few ways society could change for the better and Americans seem to be rallying behind those solutions.
Yep, agree. People are rallying behind things they are worried about, and it's how this stuff is supposed to work. Not sure about universal healthcare. It's not the only solution and what worked in Europe or elsewhere might not suit the US. Keeping in mind that there is thing leviathan of Obamacare already in place, it would be hard to root it out completely, but at the same time not sure how viable are incremental changes there.
The same goes for minimal wages. I am not a fan of price floors in general, there are IMO better ways to stimulate wages. But if the consensus is there – great. Again, it's hard to project something that works in Europe to the US. Structural relationships between the labor force and capital are completely different.
Maybe the source of pessimism is partly rooted in streaks of disappointments in the top political class. From the outsider's perspective, the last competent administration was probably Clinton's. The current bunch seems doing fine overall too, except for Afghanistan, but it was always bound to be a disaster.
I really wished Biden's administration dropped salami tactics with military help to us. But we are grateful anyway, especially considering alternatives.

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apologise for the long reads on the football forum, lol. It's been a while I had some time to talk about something "normal")
 

AFL_ITALIA

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In a sense I believe there is great cause for optimism, because there are quite a few ways society could change for the better and Americans seem to be rallying behind those solutions. Mostly I'm looking at stuff like universal healthcare and better minimum wages. These are things that could have a massive impact on American society.

I realise these changes won't happen overnight, but with healthcare in particular people were screaming "communism" just a few years ago. Today most accept it's just the way forward.
I could see anything implemented likely being some sort of half-assed bullshit that doesn't damage private insurance too much, just because of how much money and influence they have. And then of course there are also the jobs they created. I'd love nothing more than to watch them burn, but I don't know.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Yep, agree. People are rallying behind things they are worried about, and it's how this stuff is supposed to work. Not sure about universal healthcare. It's not the only solution and what worked in Europe or elsewhere might not suit the US. Keeping in mind that there is thing leviathan of Obamacare already in place, it would be hard to root it out completely, but at the same time not sure how viable are incremental changes there.
The same goes for minimal wages. I am not a fan of price floors in general, there are IMO better ways to stimulate wages. But if the consensus is there – great. Again, it's hard to project something that works in Europe to the US. Structural relationships between the labor force and capital are completely different.
Maybe the source of pessimism is partly rooted in streaks of disappointments in the top political class. From the outsider's perspective, the last competent administration was probably Clinton's. The current bunch seems doing fine overall too, except for Afghanistan, but it was always bound to be a disaster.
I really wished Biden's administration dropped salami tactics with military help to us. But we are grateful anyway, especially considering alternatives.

EDIT:
apologise for the long reads on the football forum, lol. It's been a while I had some time to talk about something "normal")
Yeah, but it's not so much the actual solutions I care about. It's that I think most Americans do have the right idea about what needs to change in American society. I don't know, I'm just optimistic about the US. Maybe that's because I want to be though, I can't hide the fact that I do have some love for that country.
 

Kopanja

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Jul 30, 2015
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Yeah, but it's not so much the actual solutions I care about. It's that I think most Americans do have the right idea about what needs to change in American society. I don't know, I'm just optimistic about the US. Maybe that's because I want to be though, I can't hide the fact that I do have some love for that country.
yep, the US are awesome.
 

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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Dafuq does pizza have to do with sports and sports betting?

That's like the idiotic bicyclists who identify with coffee as if they're the only people who discovered it.

May as well review underwear... it's just as unique to sports.

In a sense I believe there is great cause for optimism, because there are quite a few ways society could change for the better and Americans seem to be rallying behind those solutions. Mostly I'm looking at stuff like universal healthcare and better minimum wages. These are things that could have a massive impact on American society.

I realise these changes won't happen overnight, but with healthcare in particular people were screaming "communism" just a few years ago. Today most accept it's just the way forward.
The U.S. is still in far better shape than most. But now it's kind of creating its own problems. Trouble is that the society has conditioned them to be softened, fat, lazy, and unable to handle inconvenience like milk-fed veal raised in a cage. It's going to have to get a lot worse before it gets much better.
 
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The only time I've had parmesan on pizza was also in Massachusetts, I guess that's just what they do for some reason. No idea why they're so obsessed with it because it is pretty overpowering on pizza.

That said, I hate this guy.
He he's such a douche :lol: That deal to get back Barstool from Penn was something tho

Never tried that pizza either — is L&B Spumoni worth the hype btw?
 

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