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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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So people are mad about that, eh? Or is it that they just hate him?
I think it's a bit of both, but mostly I believe there is quite a bit of unease when Musk portrays himself to be a force of good in this world. He claimed he wanted Twitter to be some sort of marketplace, where people could freely interact and work on, presumably, the future of mankind and the planet.

One of my biggest gripes with all this was that Musk was simply referring to the ancient concept of "forum" so this was hardly visionary.

But the other thing is that Musk does not care about anyone. He just doesn't. There's no grand idea behind it all. There is no desire to improve the lives of others. The motherfucker just wants to build a company. The sooner we get rid of salespeople like him the better.
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
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I think it's a bit of both, but mostly I believe there is quite a bit of unease when Musk portrays himself to be a force of good in this world. He claimed he wanted Twitter to be some sort of marketplace, where people could freely interact and work on, presumably, the future of mankind and the planet.

One of my biggest gripes with all this was that Musk was simply referring to the ancient concept of "forum" so this was hardly visionary.

But the other thing is that Musk does not care about anyone. He just doesn't. There's no grand idea behind it all. There is no desire to improve the lives of others. The motherfucker just wants to build a company. The sooner we get rid of salespeople like him the better.
I can agree with that for sure. The fanboyism is weird. I don't hate him though, don't even care about him. But I don't trust him either. Technocratic douche
 

campionesidd

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Mar 16, 2013
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When he said he was a "free speech absolutist" I didn't think he would make it that you can write tweets threatening to kill your ex-wife for being a money grubbing whore. Obviously there are limits, at least to me.
None of the suspended journalists did that. He just makes up the rules as he goes along. He’s well within his rights to do so, but he should STFU about being a free speech warrior.
 
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lgorTudor

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Jan 15, 2015
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The motherfucker just wants to build a company. The sooner we get rid of salespeople like him the better.
The opposite is the case. He wants to be a political figure and he is ready to lose any amount of money and destroy any company he owns to become one.

I would absolutely not be surprised about a presidential campaign at some point

EDIT: I forgot the murica rule that you have to be born in murica to become a president but he will certainly get involved in a way that goes beyond endorsing a candidate
 
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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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The opposite is the case. He wants to be a political figure and he is ready to lose any amount of money and destroy any company he owns to become one.

I would absolutely not be surprised about a presidential campaign at some point
No, it's kind of like Trump (though Elon is better at it). Maybe he doesn't care about losing some companies or parts of companies. But he wants to build an economic empire. Everything Musk does, he does to gain power, influence and money.
 

Strickland

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May 17, 2019
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I agree but I don’t think the guy who posted the flight tracker was doing any of the things you listed.
He made a flight tracker that tracks where a personal jet goes, afaik that is either stalking or at least heavily assisting in stalking. Then he made that tracker public, imo that is doxxing. And then iirc he requested a Tesla (or money?) to take it down, how can that not be blackmailing?
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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didn’t conservatives ruin the life of that doctor who helped an 11 year old get abortion?
Didn’t you get the memo? It’s only cancel culture and doxxing when the libs do it.

When MAGA patriots doxx election workers it isn’t actually doxxing, it is patriotism and stopping elections being stolen.

When Trump asked his base to boycott the NFL, and for owners to fire and ban any player who kneeled for the anthem, it wasn’t cancelling, it was a truly great patriotic act.

Alex Jones right wing followers harassing parents whose children had just been killed? Patriotism.

Trump followers attacking police and invading the Capitol in attempt to keep the orange man in power? Patriotism.
 
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Enron

Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
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He made a flight tracker that tracks where a personal jet goes, afaik that is either stalking or at least heavily assisting in stalking. Then he made that tracker public, imo that is doxxing. And then iirc he requested a Tesla (or money?) to take it down, how can that not be blackmailing?
I don’t think anyone is arguing that the elon plane (or whatever it’s called) account was attempting to blackmail via doxx.

I think the question is whether the journalists covering the story were doxxing. If they had posted links
and kept the coverage of the story on the web pages of their respective newspapers, no one would care.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Free speech is never unlimited, theres always things that overrule it. Imo its fucked up that someone tracks Musk, makes it public, blackmails him and somehow for some Musk is still in the wrong for banning that acc
I actually see that kid as a white hat. He's making a point that none of us have privacy with the systems we have in place.

So it's kind of ironic that a lot of people are piling on to defend Musk saying he's being doxxed when they would be the first to call out hypocrisy in others for not living with the same standards we all have to otherwise live with.

Hey, it's not my fault that I don't own a licensed private jet.

Also ironically, it's within Musk's right as a private owner to block the kid's account. I mean, that's not a free speech issue, as the government isn't involved. It's his toy, and he gets to set the rules. Whatever those rules are, free speech never had anything to do with it. Wrong question.

he says they doxxed him but I don’t actually think any doxxing took place
He also says a diver critical of his Thai submarine rescue solution is a pedophile. So that's par for the course.

He made a flight tracker that tracks where a personal jet goes, afaik that is either stalking or at least heavily assisting in stalking. Then he made that tracker public, imo that is doxxing. And then iirc he requested a Tesla (or money?) to take it down, how can that not be blackmailing?
We're shaving hairs here on what doxxing actually means. But many of Musk's cohorts have made billions off of taking publicly available information and matching it up to identify a person. That's Facebook's entire business model, for crying out loud.
 

campionesidd

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Mar 16, 2013
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He made a flight tracker that tracks where a personal jet goes, afaik that is either stalking or at least heavily assisting in stalking. Then he made that tracker public, imo that is doxxing. And then iirc he requested a Tesla (or money?) to take it down, how can that not be blackmailing?
In the US tracking flight information is protected by the first amendment and is publicly available information.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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I don’t think anyone is arguing that the elon plane (or whatever it’s called) account was attempting to blackmail via doxx.

I think the question is whether the journalists covering the story were doxxing. If they had posted links
and kept the coverage of the story on the web pages of their respective newspapers, no one would care.
Well there you go


Posting a link that doxxes is not reporting, that's still doxxing
 

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