'Murica! (134 Viewers)

[GordoDeCentral]

hey man, if you feel like it don't abort your pregnancy, but don't go on forcing others to do the same. This is not a science issue as much as a life-style decision.

So you think it's ok to just suffocate or stab a premature baby in an incubator?

 

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[Elvin]

"If you don't like theft, then don't steal and mind your own business when others steal". I don't think you've understood how it works. If I feel like something is wrong then it is my own moral duty to speak against it.

Proof you didn't process a single thing I said. "Even if you take the line of reasoning that personhood develops in the womb..." - implies that I don't think that way. You have the comprehension skills of a 6th grader .

We've already established that science universally agrees that life begins at conception, as therefore does personhood. But please continue to come up with your arbitrary "10 week/20 week" thresholds for that with no scientific consensus to back it up, as though it is supposed to somehow make a difference ethically speaking. Because apparently, according to your logic, it seems that it is perfectly moral to kill an unborn infant one day before "the xth week" as opposed to the day after the cut-off point, lol.

...So in other words, if left alone, a fetus will most likely develop naturally along one trajectory so long as there is no artificial interference with the cycle such as abortion, like you stated. Got it. Its like you just backfired on yourself. You can keep coming up with mental gymnastics to try and justify your depravity but it looks stupid every time. Please do put me on ignore because i can no longer be bothered to put up with this clownery

Stealing has a victim. Embryo is not a victim, it has no consciousnesses, it feels no suffering or pain. In fact keep it, would victimize its carrier (mother).

 

[Ronn]

Nothing beats the support of many pro-lifers for death penalty.

 

[Elvin]

So you think it's ok to just suffocate or stab a premature baby in an incubator?

I said EMBRYO. Embryo is not a baby.

 

[Jäger]

Stealing has a victim. Embryo is not a victim, it has no consciousnesses, it feels no suffering or pain. In fact keep it, would victimize its carrier (mother).

It doesn't necessarily have to feel pain in order to be a victim. The fact that its entire life has been unnaturally taken away is enough reason to believe that it is a victim. A one in 4 trillion chance at life has been stripped away just like that

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I said EMBRYO. Embryo is not a baby.

When is it a baby? Also people are allowed to abort in the 3rd trimester

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Nothing beats the support of many pro-lifers for death penalty.

Yes because babies=murderers

 

[Elvin]

When is it a baby? Also people are allowed to abort in the 3rd trimester

not sure, but it shall be decided upon.

It doesn't necessarily have to feel pain in order to be a victim. The fact that its entire life has been unnaturally taken away is enough reason to believe that it is a victim. A one in 4 trillion chance at life has been stripped away just like that

conscious things have authority over the fate of unconscious things. Big fucking deal. Doesn't matter what it can be, only matters what it IS at the time of the decision, and what it is is just a collection of molecules, no different from a sperm you drown in your bathtub

Also, it's not like people do abortion just for fun. It is out of necessity and not a hobby ffs.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

not sure, but it shall be decided upon.

conscious things have authority over the fate of unconscious things. Big fucking deal. Doesn't matter what it can be, only matters what it IS at the time of the decision, and what it is is just a collection of molecules, no different from a sperm you drown in your bathtub

Also, it's not like people do abortion just for fun. It is out of necessity and not a hobby ffs.

That's the whole point, who gets to decide, in America it's 9 people. But most feel it should be more democratic, hence the Texas decision.

 

[Ronn]

Yes because babies=murderers

Thought we’re talking about embryos

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Thought we’re talking about embryos

Per texas law you can abort embryos

 

[Elvin]

That's the whole point, who gets to decide, in America it's 9 people. But most feel it should be more democratic, hence the Texas decision.

who decided the age of consent and statutory rape?

There will be some sort of arbitrary nature to it, but a definitive and uniform decision has to be made at some point.

 

[Ronn]

Per texas law you can abort embryos

I was particularly responding to “life begins at conception” crowd, but fetus embryo line is week 11 of the pregnancy, or 9 weeks after conception.
look, I’m not looking to change anybody’s mind because that’s impossible. I’m certain that pro-life movement will succeed to grant personhood to embryos right after conception in next 10 years. They have a conviction and they’re single issue voters, and nothing is stronger than single issue voter in a popular democracy (prohibition, NRA,…), but by using terms embryo, fetus and baby interchangeably, and talking about extreme cases such as babies skulls being crushed or babies taken out of incubator you’re not really fooling anyone.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I was particularly responding to “life begins at conception” crowd, but fetus embryo line is week 11 of the pregnancy, or 9 weeks after conception.
look, I’m not looking to change anybody’s mind because that’s impossible. I’m certain that pro-life movement will succeed to grant personhood to embryos right after conception in next 10 years. They have a conviction and they’re single issue voters, and nothing is stronger than single issue voter in a popular democracy (prohibition, NRA,…), but by using terms embryo, fetus and baby interchangeably, and talking about extreme cases such as babies skulls being crushed or babies taken out of incubator you’re not really fooling anyone.

I just think it should be up to communities to decide. If texas which is traditionally conservative wants no abortion, then more power to them. If it doesn't work for the liberal transplant they can always go back to liberal states their liberal views helped ruin.

 

[IliveForJuve]

I just think it should be up to communities to decide. If texas which is traditionally conservative wants no abortion, then more power to them. If it doesn't work for the liberal transplant they can always go back to liberal states their liberal views helped ruin.

The irony of woke people preaching tolerance but they refer to other ways of thinking as a throwback to the dark ages. They're no very tolerant themselves towards people who hold different views and want every place/country/state to be the same. If they don't like Texas, then they can move to California and pay higher taxes.

They think of themselves as the true holders of the "right way of thinking".

 

[Ronn]

I just think it should be up to communities to decide. If texas which is traditionally conservative wants no abortion, then more power to them. If it doesn't work for the liberal transplant they can always go back to liberal states their liberal views helped ruin.

Does giant state of Texas with 29m population and 53-47 voting percentage in favor of conservatives look like a community to you? United States as a whole had roughly the same population in 1850s right before the civil war.

 

[Elvin]

The irony of woke people preaching tolerance but they refer to other ways of thinking as a throwback to the dark ages. They're no very tolerant themselves towards people who hold different views and want every place/country/state to be the same. If they don't like Texas, then they can move to California and pay higher taxes.

They think of themselves as the true holders of the "right way of thinking".

no this is a civil right issue, not a decision to be made by fuckin elders of the tribe.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Does giant state of Texas with 29m population and 53-47 voting percentage in favor of conservatives look like a community to you? United States as a whole had roughly the same population in 1850s right before the civil war.

Way to zoom in on one word and miss the point. If tomorrow texas were to have a referendum on abortion how would it swing? States should decide for themselves, 9 people shouldn't for them.

 

[Ronn]

The irony of woke people preaching tolerance but they refer to other ways of thinking as a throwback to the dark ages. They're no very tolerant themselves towards people who hold different views and want every place/country/state to be the same. If they don't like Texas, then they can move to California and pay higher taxes.

They think of themselves as the true holders of the "right way of thinking".

Hey princess in this particular case pro lifers are the ones foisting their opinion onto other people. You can have any opinion you want please stay away from other people.

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Way to zoom in on one word and miss the point. If tomorrow texas were to have a referendum on abortion how would it swing? States should decide for themselves, 9 people shouldn't for them.

This was taken in 2018. also it’s not just one word. You used embryo, fetus and baby interchangeably as I pointed out.
https://www.texasstandard.org/stori...veys-texas-voters-on-greg-abbott-roe-vs-wade/

 

[Enron]

I just think it should be up to communities to decide. If texas which is traditionally conservative wants no abortion, then more power to them. If it doesn't work for the liberal transplant they can always go back to liberal states their liberal views helped ruin.

Lol you know this law isn’t really going to affect liberals, just piss them off