'Murica! (111 Viewers)

[IliveForJuve]

What? I defined the stage where abortions are entirely acceptable as before an embryo becomes a foetus, with significant development towards actually becoming a living being. Which is 10 weeks or thereabouts.

Again, suggesting aborting an embryo is somehow murder is the height of stupidity. One could begin to make the argument in the fetal stage, even though I disagree with it, I can understand where those arguments come from, but the retards equating 0-10 week old embryos getting aborted with murder are imbeciles.

But the Christian Right has proved time again they only give a shit about unborn babies. As soon as they are born, fuck’em. If they are born into poverty, fuck their right to health care, fuck their right to clean water and air, fuck their right to proper nourishment, fuck their right to a good education.

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I'll definitely get a vasectomy when I'm done having children. Can't trust a doctor cutting stuff down there and making it reversible.

 

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[Jäger]

What? I defined the stage where abortions are entirely acceptable as before an embryo becomes a foetus, with significant development towards actually becoming a living being. Which is 10 weeks or thereabouts.

Even if you take the line of reasoning that the unborn "develop" their own personhood in the womb, your argument pretty much ignores the potential for personhood/consciousness which, imo, is the most consistent line to draw in these kinds of moral discussions. An embryo isn't just a "clump of cells", its an embryo, and it looks like an embryo. It has a functioning heart, it has muscle precursor cells and neurons that are just starting to find their way in the world. It's alive, and it will continue to develop throughout and well beyond pregnancy if left alone. Personally I consider that already a person. Otherwise I don't see why at least the potential for personhood isn't a good and consistent ethical guideline anyway, but you do you.
I mean, we even give moral and legal rights to corpses, out of respect for the dead, and they're definitely not even alive. If an embryo is a biological being (which it is) then I think yes it is deserving of some rights.

 

[Post Ironic]

Even if you take the line of reasoning that the unborn "develop" their own personhood in the womb, your argument pretty much ignores the potential for personhood/consciousness which, imo, is the most consistent line to draw in these kinds of moral discussions. An embryo isn't just a "clump of cells", its an embryo, and it looks like an embryo. It has a functioning heart, it has muscle precursor cells and neurons that are just starting to find their way in the world. It's alive, and it will continue to develop throughout and well beyond pregnancy if left alone. Personally I consider that already a person. Otherwise I don't see why at least the potential for personhood isn't a good and consistent ethical guideline anyway, but you do you.
I mean, we even give moral and legal rights to corpses, out of respect for the dead, and they're definitely not even alive. If an embryo is a biological being (which it is) then I think yes it is deserving of some rights.

I suppose we should all be vegans then. Because animals are biological beings, that can feel pain, fear, emotions, etc. Because “meat is murder.”

Seriously, saying all abortion is murder is moronic as the PETA Vegan idiots saying all meat is murder.

But you do you. You regulate those licentious women’s reproductive rights.

 

[Enron]

The best part of the new Texas law is that 10k you get for snitching on hoowas.

 

[Post Ironic]

The best part of the new Texas law is that 10k you get for snitching on hoowas.

Imma move to Texas and get me some of dat dere moneys.

 

[Jäger]

I suppose we should all be vegans then. Because animals are biological beings, that can feel pain, fear, emotions, etc. Because “meat is murder.”

Seriously, saying all abortion is murder is moronic as the PETA Vegan idiots saying all meat is murder.

But you do you. You regulate those licentious women’s reproductive rights.

Animals are not fully rational beings and they aren't very similar to humans. Therefore the concept of animal rights from an anthropocentric perspective is just retarded.
Are we going to grant animals their rights? Shall we give due process to the wolves that attack you in the woods? Or sue meat factories on behalf of a pig? Can I file a restraining order against the deer that lives in my back garden? Humane treatment of animals is one thing, but suggesting that they are deserving of equal rights to that of humans or humans in the womb (who are apparently less human, so I'm told) is laughable. Discussing pro-life and pro-animal rights as though they are similar is just absolute nonsense

 

[MrMonkey]

Funny how they blame Biden for something Trump cooked...

Funny how you side with senile Biden on anything. Rumor has it you are buying one of Hunter's paintings to put on your bathroom wall over the toilet. Perfect spot Oggy.

 

[Post Ironic]

Animals are not fully rational beings and they aren't very similar to humans. Therefore the concept of animal rights from an anthropocentric perspective is just retarded.
Are we going to grant animals their rights? Shall we give due process to the wolves that attack you in the woods? Or sue meat factories on behalf of a pig? Can I file a restraining order against the deer that lives in my back garden? Humane treatment of animals is one thing, but suggesting that they are deserving of equal rights to that of humans or humans in the womb (who are apparently less human, so I'm told) is laughable. Discussing pro-life and pro-animal rights as though they are similar is just absolute nonsense

You’re talking about the inherent rights of embryos because they are biological beings, but they are far less complex and intelligent biological beings than animals. Incapable of thought or feeling at that point. Embryos aren’t in the slightest similar to fully formed humans. Calling an embryo a human in the womb… please continue your nonsense.

 

[Allegri_is_God]

Do I even need one? You’re so fucking dense that nothing will penetrate into your thick skull. So I’d rather sit this one out.
As you were.

"When I have no arguments I'll offend people - Ronn" strikes again

 

[icemaη]

I'll definitely get a vasectomy when I'm done having children. Can't trust a doctor cutting stuff down there and making it reversible.

But your girlfriend is supposed to trust a doctor shove a piece of metal up there?

 

[Oggy]

Funny how you side with senile Biden on anything. Rumor has it you are buying one of Hunter's paintings to put on your bathroom wall over the toilet. Perfect spot Oggy.

Nah, I keep his paintings in the living room, right next to a big black and white picture of Biden.

 

[IliveForJuve]

But your girlfriend is supposed to trust a doctor shove a piece of metal up there?

She does. She has the coil.

There's a huge difference between placing a IUD and performing a vasectomy. The former can be redone if something goes wrong and you don't lose your ability to have children. If they cut the wrong thing in yer balls, you're sterile and that's for life.

"This is achieved by cutting or blocking the tubes that carry sperm from the testes to the penis. A vasectomy is usually considered to be a permanent form of contraception because it's not always possible to reverse the procedure."

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/contr... by cutting,possible to reverse the procedure.

Tuz loves their false equivalences.

 

[Jäger]

You’re talking about the inherent rights of embryos because they are biological beings, but they are far less complex and intelligent biological beings than animals. Incapable of thought or feeling at that point. Embryos aren’t in the slightest similar to fully formed humans. Calling an embryo a human in the womb… please continue your nonsense.

I think it's a pretty uncontroversial biological fact that you have a separate (genetically distinct), living human organism at conception. I would have thought that the simplest and most consistent view is to say that human personhood starts with human life, and therefore conception, given that it only goes in one trajectory thereafter. But sure if you want to go about denying science like those "evil right wing repubs" then go ahead, just don't complain next time people distort scientific truths to fit their narrative.

 

[Elvin]

I think it's a pretty uncontroversial biological fact that you have a separate (genetically distinct), living human organism at conception. I would have thought that the simplest and most consistent view is to say that human personhood starts with human life, and therefore conception, given that it only goes in one trajectory thereafter. But sure if you want to go about denying science like those "evil right wing repubs" then go ahead, just don't complain next time people distort scientific truths to fit their narrative.

then male sperm and female eggs are also human... cause you know, one trajectory, one purpose. Embryo has exactly same consciousness as sperm.

 

[Jäger]

then male sperm and female eggs are also human.

I guess you must have missed the part where I said "genetically distinct"

 

[Elvin]

I guess you must have missed the part where I said "genetically distinct"

hey man, if you feel like it don't abort your pregnancy, but don't go on forcing others to do the same. This is not a science issue as much as a life-style decision.

 

[Post Ironic]

I think it's a pretty uncontroversial biological fact that you have a separate (genetically distinct), living human organism at conception. I would have thought that the simplest and most consistent view is to say that human personhood starts with human life, and therefore conception, given that it only goes in one trajectory thereafter. But sure if you want to go about denying science like those "evil right wing repubs" then go ahead, just don't complain next time people distort scientific truths to fit their narrative.

What a dork. But but but “potential” humans are actually fully developed humans! Personhood at conception! lol

An embryo is an embryo. Not a person. Obviously. Lots of things can interrupt that “one trajectory” before it becomes a fetus, let alone a fully developed human baby. Abortion is just one of them. You are just distorting things to fit your own clownish anti-abortion narrative. You’re a joke. Time to ignore.

 

[IliveForJuve]

then male sperm and female eggs are also human... cause you know, one trajectory, one purpose. Embryo has exactly same consciousness as sperm.

Sperm and eggs are not totipotent. What a comparison

 

[Elvin]

Sperm and eggs are not totipotent. What a comparison

in tandem they are.

 

[Jäger]

hey man, if you feel like it don't abort your pregnancy, but don't go on forcing others to do the same. This is not a science issue as much as a life-style decision.

"If you don't like theft, then don't steal and mind your own business when others steal". I don't think you've understood how it works. If I feel like something is wrong then it is my own moral duty to speak against it.

What a dork. But but but “potential” humans are actually fully developed humans! Personhood at conception! lol

Proof you didn't process a single thing I said. "Even if you take the line of reasoning that personhood develops in the womb..." - implies that I don't think that way. You have the comprehension skills of a 6th grader .

An embryo is an embryo. Not a person.

We've already established that science universally agrees that life begins at conception, as therefore does personhood. But please continue to come up with your arbitrary "10 week/20 week" thresholds for that with no scientific consensus to back it up, as though it is supposed to somehow make a difference ethically speaking. Because apparently, according to your logic, it seems that it is perfectly moral to kill an unborn infant one day before "the xth week" as opposed to the day after the cut-off point, lol.

Lots of things can interrupt that “one trajectory” before it becomes a fetus, let alone a fully developed human baby. Abortion is just one of them.

...So in other words, if left alone, a fetus will most likely develop naturally along one trajectory so long as there is no artificial interference with the cycle such as abortion, like you stated. Got it. Its like you just backfired on yourself. You can keep coming up with mental gymnastics to try and justify your depravity but it looks stupid every time. Please do put me on ignore because i can no longer be bothered to put up with this clownery