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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Neither am i, but it's pretty clear there is no such thing as right to privacy, 14th amendments grants very clear and spelled out rights none of which spelled as general as right to privacy.
That's interpretation though (as it always is).

Personally I'm not the biggest fan of courts that stretch interpretations like this, but it happens a lot.

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AndreaCristiano

Nato, Vive, e muore Italiano
Jun 9, 2011
19,126
Look at the authors name and understand what agendas you just supported
I am not supporting anything. I read the article some valid points were made and o thought you all could read it. Every post or article isn't an automatic support of an agenda. That's the problem with today's discourse. There are alot of people on both sides with good points or ideas.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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I am not supporting anything. I read the article some valid points were made and o thought you all could read it. Every post or article isn't an automatic support of an agenda. That's the problem with today's discourse. There are alot of people on both sides with good points or ideas.
What the guy is complaining imo is not a liberal thing, it’s a rich people thing. One particular senator put a bill on hold and doesn’t want the value of his property to go down. Don’t think conservatives would be any different.

What’s happening in San Fran is a matter of supply and demand. There is a lot of demand and not enough supply. Farook is saying to increase the supply so everyone has an equal opportunity. That’s more in line with socialism if anything imo.

And I’d personally be fine with that. There’s no reason someone needs to live in a mansion in a city with not enough houses. We don’t have Kings anymore.
 

AndreaCristiano

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Jun 9, 2011
19,126
What the guy is complaining imo is not a liberal thing, it’s a rich people thing. One particular senator put a bill on hold and doesn’t want the value of his property to go down. Don’t think conservatives would be any different.

What’s happening in San Fran is a matter of supply and demand. There is a lot of demand and not enough supply. Farook is saying to increase the supply so everyone has an equal opportunity. That’s more in line with socialism if anything imo.

And I’d personally be fine with that. There’s no reason someone needs to live in a mansion in a city with not enough houses. We don’t have Kings anymore.
It's a liberal thing because the policies in those cities are pushed and espoused by liberals and put into place by cities run by predominantly liberal politicians. What he is saying is that they are the main issue in many ways.
It's not a coincidence that all the cities with these issues are Democratic strongholds
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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It's a liberal thing because the policies in those cities are pushed and espoused by liberals and put into place by cities run by predominantly liberal politicians. What he is saying is that they are the main issue in many ways.
Rich politicians are the main issue, I couldn’t agree more. Them being liberal has nothing to do with it, conservative policies would not include building more affordable housing and driving prices down.
 

AndreaCristiano

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Jun 9, 2011
19,126
Rich politicians are the main issue, I couldn’t agree more. Them being liberal has nothing to do with it, conservative policies would not include building more affordable housing and driving prices down.
It seems the data contradicts as there aren't many conservative if any run areas in urbanity that have the same issues. Shit look at all the cities with poverty homelessness and drug abuse all Democratic strongholds
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
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Zoning laws are important though, you can't just have big apartment buildings everywhere. I can't speak for San Francisco but my neighborhood cannot support such things whereas closer towards Manhattan it's fine, for example.

It seems the data contradicts as there aren't many conservative if any run areas in urbanity that have the same issues. Shit look at all the cities with poverty homelessness and drug abuse all Democratic strongholds
Which Republican cities do not have these issues? It is infinitely more complex than just red or blue.
 

AndreaCristiano

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Jun 9, 2011
19,126
Zoning laws are important though, you can't just have big apartment buildings everywhere. I can't speak for San Francisco but my neighborhood cannot support such things whereas closer towards Manhattan it's fine, for example.


Which Republican cities do not have these issues? It is infinitely more complex than just red or blue.
Sure it is but if you read the article it shows that the implementation of said blue ideals creates these atmospheres and scenarios.
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
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Sure it is but if you read the article it shows that the implementation of said blue ideals creates these atmospheres and scenarios.
It doesn't really talk about how democrat-implemented policies contributed to this at all, it just talks about how the solutions are being stopped by the very wealthy. As ALC said, one senator who happened to be a democrat put the bill on hold. A republican would easily do the same exact thing, party isn't the defining factor in that, it's a money and entitlement thing. New York already has huge apartment complexes and condos near public transportation, and our homeless problem is not nearly as bad, though still bad:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallm...less-people-in-2018-infographic/#540242b81178
(keep in mind, New York has a population of over 8 million while LA has less than 4 million)

We have a different set of problems that contribute to this. I'd still like to know of a major city controlled by republicans without these issues though.
 

AndreaCristiano

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Jun 9, 2011
19,126
It doesn't really talk about how democrat-implemented policies contributed to this at all, it just talks about how the solutions are being stopped by the very wealthy. As ALC said, one senator who happened to be a democrat put the bill on hold. A republican would easily do the same exact thing, party isn't the defining factor in that, it's a money and entitlement thing. New York already has huge apartment complexes and condos near public transportation, and our homeless problem is not nearly as bad, though still bad:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallm...less-people-in-2018-infographic/#540242b81178
(keep in mind, New York has a population of over 8 million while LA has less than 4 million)

We have a different set of problems that contribute to this. I'd still like to know of a major city controlled by republicans without these issues though.
Dallas Texas is one
Also I live in a Democrat stronghold state of New Jersey but the county and area I live is more Republican leaning and the difference between my county and say a northern county were Newark resides is striking.
 

Ronn

Senior Member
May 3, 2012
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Dallas Texas is one
Also I live in a Democrat stronghold state of New Jersey but the county and area I live is more Republican leaning and the difference between my county and say a northern county were Newark resides is striking.
Almost all of Texas big cities (Fort Worth being the only exception) have a democratic government. The piece you shared is so bad that made me dislike NYT a little bit more. The writer does not establish how one guy torpedoing a bill have anything to do with liberal "policies". Protecting a rich enclave is not a policy. It's one (or even multiple) guy(s) being bought and paid by their rich constituents. If HuffPo wanted to publish a similar article it would be titled: "Mississippi and Alabama are shitholes. Blame racist conservatives".
As others said zoning issue is beyond party. By the way your beloved president cares so much about the issue of housing that he appointed a neurosurgeon with no experience and a history of spewing nonsense as HUD secretary.
 

AndreaCristiano

Nato, Vive, e muore Italiano
Jun 9, 2011
19,126
Almost all of Texas big cities (Fort Worth being the only exception) have a democratic government. The piece you shared is so bad that made me dislike NYT a little bit more. The writer does not establish how one guy torpedoing a bill have anything to do with liberal "policies". Protecting a rich enclave is not a policy. It's one (or even multiple) guy(s) being bought and paid by their rich constituents. If HuffPo wanted to publish a similar article it would be titled: "Mississippi and Alabama are shitholes. Blame racist conservatives".
As others said zoning issue is beyond party. By the way your beloved president cares so much about the issue of housing that he appointed a neurosurgeon with no experience and a history of spewing nonsense as HUD secretary.
I think the one guy you are all harping on was used as an example not to be the only thing to focus on

Also it makes me laugh that you bring up HUD because I'm sure it makes you mad that our HUD secretary would rather house Americans instead of illegals
 

Enron

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Oct 11, 2005
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I think the one guy you are all harping on was used as an example not to be the only thing to focus on

Also it makes me laugh that you bring up HUD because I'm sure it makes you mad that our HUD secretary would rather house Americans instead of illegals
Only that he doesn’t know what an REO is.
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,807
Dallas Texas is one
Also I live in a Democrat stronghold state of New Jersey but the county and area I live is more Republican leaning and the difference between my county and say a northern county were Newark resides is striking.
You have the post above for Dallas.

As for Newark, I don't know where your county is, but I'd wager that it's easily much greater in both population as well as population density. Both of those things lead to the issues we're talking about. Because sure, I could buy this house right now in cash, still have money left over, and probably live on minimum wage. It's three times the size of the house I'm living in now and it's about 7% of the price.
https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sa...86,-75.19352,41.983739,-75.562592_rect/11_zm/

Meanwhile here, I can't even look at a for sale sign with the money I have. This has nothing to do with where on the spectrum the local government falls though.
 

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