'Murica! (196 Viewers)

[Post Ironic]

Funny you mention land

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...to-mining-claims-under-1872-law-idUSKBN1FK1MA

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100%

Congrats to the family and yourself by the way. That’s what I like to hear.

You understand this doesn't mean land is open to just anyone.

There are land claims through prospecting rights still occasionally available in Canada too, though it is more of a land lease and requires a certain amount of resource extraction.

 

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[Hust]

You understand this doesn't mean land is open to just anyone.

There are land claims through prospecting rights still occasionally available in Canada too, though it is more of a land lease and requires a certain amount of resource extraction.

Il nuovo gold rush

What country did you move from? I honestly don’t think I recall you telling me.

 

[Post Ironic]

Pre-financial crisis, a crisis that only made things worse: https://www.forbes.com/2007/10/09/a...t-dream1007-cx_pm_1009class.html#1dafb790ad5a




https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-dangerous-separation-of-the-american-upper-middle-class/

Americans will deny this until the end of time. Because a few of them manage to move upward through hard work and motivation they believe everyone who doesn't is just lazy or they could too. Never mind that middle class jobs (as a percentage) have been disappearing for years in America and likely aren't coming back.

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Il nuovo gold rush

What country did you move from? I honestly don’t think I recall you telling me.

I didn't move from anywhere. My grandpa on my ma's side was a Rhode Island fellow, served in the USN at the end of WWII. All the rest of my grandparents were born in Canada.

My parents grew up middle class but were quite poor when I was very young. That was more a case of the financial struggles of starting a business with very little capital. They worked exceptionally hard though, so by the time I was in school, the business was quite a success and we were solidly middle class.

 

[Maddy]

Americans will deny this until the end of time. Because a few of them manage to move upward through hard work and motivation they believe everyone who doesn't is just lazy or they could too. Never mind that middle class jobs (as a percentage) have been disappearing for years in America and likely aren't coming back.

There's somewhat of a golden age syndrome about it. Similar to the Brits still thinking they are a mighty empire or the French still thinking they are the cultural and intellectual capital of the World. USA used to be land of opportunity and 'the american dream' was a thing. But that's at least more than 40 years ago.

 

[king Ale]

If you were at your sister's graduation ceremony, wouldn't you feel pride as you watched her receive her certificate? Or couldn't you understand how someone would feel pride in a situation like that?

Also if you're proud about something, it doesn't mean you're taking or expect credit for it.

As for shame, can't you think of many things one could be ashamed about that is not necessarily their fault, like being poor?

But like you say, my sister is graduating, that's something she's had a role in achieving (would be bizarre if I was proud of her for being pretty ). Of course it doesn't mean her effort was the only factor leading to that outcome (obviously she was lucky enough to not have to deal with many problems others have to deal with) but she DID have a part in that outcome. There are many Americans who may never achieve what Hustini did because, among other things, they didn't try as hard. That's what he has to be proud of, not the fact that he's American. It's like being proud of being a human, we're just being extremely lucky.

Btw, the flip side of taking pride in being/having things you didn't contribute to could be looking down on other people for not having/being those things. I know Iranians who tell others that they are Greek or Italian etc. That's the shame part I was talking about, which is an artifact of giving credit to ourselves/others for things they had no influence on.

 

[Hængebøffer]

The only thing I find worse than chauvinistic people is people who bitch about loving/being proud of their nationality. I love the birth lottery argument. Rawls would be proud. This is what the Scandinavian countries tried to change by redistributing wealth. But you Americans despise such a "Communist" approach. But this only works in small homogeneous countries like Denmark. But times are a changing.

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Abels is going socialist

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I'd rather die in a gulag

 

[Hust]

What he said ^

 

[ALC]

100%

Congrats to the family and yourself by the way. That’s what I like to hear.

Thanks man

Did your parents move here with a college degree?
I'm with you on people picking stupid majors. I also agree that unconditional federal student loans might have impacted this, and college costs in general. But look at the state contribution to college budgets in past few years. There's no doubt it's getting harder to make it, despite stock market smashing records.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...han-state-governments/?utm_term=.8ee38e18cbde

Yeah, but theirs didn't really count. My dad still works at the same job and puts in overtime whenever he can. My mom took a test to have hers converted and after a year she became an accountant at that same place where she still is. But they definitely downgraded their status when they moved here. And yeah, it's getting harder, student loans are unfortunately the reality for almost everyone at this point. But jobs are still out there and the market is growing.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

I think you should blame Frank Sinatra, Friends, Statue of Liberty and another million factors for everyone wanting to live in New York, I'd bet that at least 20% of the worlds population have on their bucket list "I want to live in New York for a few months/years"

Blame Airbnb
https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/31/nyc-new-york-airbnb-study-mcgill/?ncid=mobilenavtrend

You can talk for years about all the reasons why the cost of living here is ridiculous. We haven't even touched on the Chinese coming and buying houses in cash somehow

 

[Seven]

Cost of college? Wait a second, are you implying young people can't get a higher education for free? Why not? How is this possible

In the land of opportunity no less.

If you want to get rich through working hard, it is far better to be born in Europe. If you hope to be one of the very few who are obscenely rich, it's better to be born in the States.

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Great point. Do you know how long (years) and how hard I worked to be part of that 2%? How many odd jobs I worked to pay for my equipment so my parents didn’t have to? Paid for my own ticket to germany when I was invited to train with Bayer L. Also graduated with honors in HS, college and Masters. Do you see a trend here?

None of that really says anything about the lack of social mobility in your country. It just says you worked hard. Something no one is denying.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

But like you say, my sister is graduating, that's something she's had a role in achieving (would be bizarre if I was proud of her for being pretty ). Of course it doesn't mean her effort was the only factor leading to that outcome (obviously she was lucky enough to not have to deal with many problems others have to deal with) but she DID have a part in that outcome. There are many Americans who may never achieve what Hustini did because, among other things, they didn't try as hard. That's what he has to be proud of, not the fact that he's American. It's like being proud of being a human, we're just being extremely lucky.

Btw, the flip side of taking pride in being/having things you didn't contribute to could be looking down on other people for not having/being those things. I know Iranians who tell others that they are Greek or Italian etc. That's the shame part I was talking about, which is an artifact of giving credit to ourselves/others for things they had no influence on.

I meant YOU being proud of her graduation, i.e. you being proud of something you didn't achieve.

And I don't think the last part is necessarily true. Some do, but not all proud Americans/blacks/gays/parents look down on others who aren't what they are or don't have what they have. Or ashamed gays/poors/minorities would not necessarily disdain others like them. It's simply an emotion after all, not a rational thing.

 

[IliveForJuve]

All of you American and European folks are privileged and have far more chances of "making it" than people who were unfortunate enough to be born in a developing country.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

All of you American and European folks are privileged and have far more chances of "making it" than people who were unfortunate enough to be born in a developing country.

Aren't you a rich kid though?

 

[IliveForJuve]

Never been to Europe but...

Europe > 'Murica.

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Aren't you a rich kid though?

Middle class.

I get called a rich kid on the forums for having a maid but the Bolivian middle class can afford maids. It shows the huge inequality that exists in this country.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Never been to Europe but...

Europe > 'Murica.

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Middle class.

The middle class have maids where you're from? Sounds like a wealthy place.

 

[ALC]

The middle class have maids where you're from? Sounds like a wealthy place.

This. I’ve seen your Facebook, Claudio. Your ass is rich.

 

[Post Ironic]

All of you American and European folks are privileged and have far more chances of "making it" than people who were unfortunate enough to be born in a developing country.

Poignant observation, bro.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Aren't you a rich kid though?

rich and white.

 

[IliveForJuve]

Poignant observation, bro.

Lel.

I just find it funny that you first world ppl are having such conversation.

Is it easy to immigrate to Canada?

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This. I’ve seen your Facebook, Claudio. Your ass is rich.

Lol, you lying pig.

I earn barely more than my maid.