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CrimsonianKing

Count Mbangula
Jan 16, 2013
27,326
You don't understand correctly. It is taught as the theory of evolution and a few people get upset because religion. The only reason that evolution remains a theory is the power of religion.

Yes we have a high percentage of Christian people in our country. But we have the freedom to study any religion or no religion as well. Also, it is unconstitutional for schools that receive federal or state funding to teach or favor a religion. We have a separation of church and state. If you wish for your child to receive a religious education there are private schools that provide that. If you are unable to afford such an education, there is also home schooling and scholarships given by the people that run these schools.

A state mandated order to teach religion as if it were science is nothing less that state indoctrination and is completely and utterly contrary to the values upon which our nation was founded. That is wrong. Evolution is taught in science class with evidence side by side with other theories of physical science.

To argue for the inclusion of religion in these classes is wrong. There is no discussion. There is no reply, no argument. The answer is no. Period.

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Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
16,545
You are both right, it's just that the european christians (minus orthodox church) aren't comparable to their american counterparts. European priests and christians shake their heads in disgust when confronted with their american colleague's claims and intentions.
"European Christians"? That's a remarkably broad statement.

We have plenty of Christian nutters here in Lutheran and extremely non-religious Denmark.

Luther :heart:

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You don't understand correctly. It is taught as the theory of evolution and a few people get upset because religion. The only reason that evolution remains a theory is the power of religion.

Yes we have a high percentage of Christian people in our country. But we have the freedom to study any religion or no religion as well. Also, it is unconstitutional for schools that receive federal or state funding to teach or favor a religion. We have a separation of church and state. If you wish for your child to receive a religious education there are private schools that provide that. If you are unable to afford such an education, there is also home schooling and scholarships given by the people that run these schools.

A state mandated order to teach religion as if it were science is nothing less that state indoctrination and is completely and utterly contrary to the values upon which our nation was founded. That is wrong. Evolution is taught in science class with evidence side by side with other theories of physical science.

To argue for the inclusion of religion in these classes is wrong. There is no discussion. There is no reply, no argument. The answer is no. Period.
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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,344
You are both right, it's just that the european christians (minus orthodox church) aren't comparable to their american counterparts. European priests and christians shake their heads in disgust when confronted with their american colleague's claims and intentions.
I went to a Catholic secondary school. I don't think they ever mentioned intelligent design. They just taught the theory of evolution.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Look at what I started. :p

Utter nonsense to have any sort of religious doctrine/belief taught in the school system. And that is exactly what ID is.

And a "comparative religions" class 100% should never be taught in grade school, which is unfortunate, but fundamentalists of all religions make it a very dangerous thing.

One of my humanities professors who offered a 100-level comparative religions course in University, received death threats from a students' parents and spent several weeks being followed around campus by security. She also received complaints weekly from parents of students of both Christian and Islamic faith.

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They said the same thing about Hitler when they got him to power, and then the night of the long knives, also Bannons economic plan is very similar to adolfs
I don't get why people think Trump is so much more harmless. He's using a lot of the same rhetoric, has the same ideas about politics and even has similar physical oddities.
I don't think Trump, Bannon, and co. are harmless... I just don't think the current first world climate allows for the more extreme and genocidal aspects of Hitler's regime. THat's all.

If it did, I have no doubt at all that they'd be first advocating a "final solution" for the illegals and muslims in America.

What scares me is what Trump and Bannon will do if he loses the election in 4 years...? Does anyone really think he shall cede power without a struggle?
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
70,837
Look at what I started. :p

Utter nonsense to have any sort of religious doctrine/belief taught in the school system. And that is exactly what ID is.

And a "comparative religions" class 100% should never be taught in grade school, which is unfortunate, but fundamentalists of all religions make it a very dangerous thing.

One of my humanities professors who offered a 100-level comparative religions course in University, received death threats from a students' parents and spent several weeks being followed around campus by security. She also received complaints weekly from parents of students of both Christian and Islamic faith.

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I don't think Trump, Bannon, and co. are harmless... I just don't think the current first world climate allows for the more extreme and genocidal aspects of Hitler's regime. THat's all.

If it did, I have no doubt at all that they'd be first advocating a "final solution" for the illegals and muslims in America.

What scares me is what Trump and Bannon will do if he loses the election in 4 years...? Does anyone really think he shall cede power without a struggle?
Hitler never signed or ordered anything of the sort, final solution is a myth.

Hitler, just like trump with Muslims, wanted jews out of Germany/europe, if he wanted them exterminated they would have been.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,344
Hitler never signed or ordered anything of the sort, final solution is a myth.

Hitler, just like trump with Muslims, wanted jews out of Germany/europe, if he wanted them exterminated they would have been.

Except, you know, there were concentration camps where they were exterminated :shifty:
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Hitler never signed or ordered anything of the sort, final solution is a myth.

Hitler, just like trump with Muslims, wanted jews out of Germany/europe, if he wanted them exterminated they would have been.
Perhaps I worded it incorrectly...

I don't doubt there would be expulsions, followed by concentration camps, followed by exterminations, with the nature of Trump and Bannon and their most zealous followers.

But i don't see it in modern America.
 

campionesidd

Senior Member
Mar 16, 2013
16,828
Look at what I started. :p

Utter nonsense to have any sort of religious doctrine/belief taught in the school system. And that is exactly what ID is.

And a "comparative religions" class 100% should never be taught in grade school, which is unfortunate, but fundamentalists of all religions make it a very dangerous thing.

One of my humanities professors who offered a 100-level comparative religions course in University, received death threats from a students' parents and spent several weeks being followed around campus by security. She also received complaints weekly from parents of students of both Christian and Islamic faith.

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I don't think Trump, Bannon, and co. are harmless... I just don't think the current first world climate allows for the more extreme and genocidal aspects of Hitler's regime. THat's all.

If it did, I have no doubt at all that they'd be first advocating a "final solution" for the illegals and muslims in America.

What scares me is what Trump and Bannon will do if he loses the election in 4 years...? Does anyone really think he shall cede power without a struggle?
The rate at which he's alienating the military top brass and the intelligence agencies, I doubt how much power he'll have to do such a thing. Also, I think if he lasts four years and keeps having disastrous favorability ratings, he'll probably decide not to run, saying that he achieved all he wanted to in four years.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,344
The rate at which he's alienating the military top brass and the intelligence agencies, I doubt how much power he'll have to do such a thing. Also, I think if he lasts four years and keeps having disastrous favorability ratings, he'll probably decide not to run, saying that he achieved all he wanted to in four years.

People often make the argument that it's hard to disobey superiors and that is why presidents can grow out to be dictators.

But with the kind of resistance Trump is facing, I don't think it's that hard to go against him. I definitely don't think he'll have enough control over the army to go against the will of the people.
 

lgorTudor

Senior Member
Jan 15, 2015
32,951
Hitler never signed or ordered anything of the sort, final solution is a myth.

Hitler, just like trump with Muslims, wanted jews out of Germany/europe, if he wanted them exterminated they would have been.
They kinda were, tho. However there have been some inbetween steps on the Nazi journey to inhumanity. Just recently I read up on their Madagascar plan which included exporting the european jews and even leave them with supplies. Reich bureaucracy already got going but the plan failed because the british naval superiority couldn't have been broken down and the brits obviously wouldn't allow the transport. Unfortunately the incomplete plan just ended up lowering the Nazi taboo levels.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
70,837
Except, you know, there were concentration camps where they were exterminated :shifty:
There were concentration camps everywhere during the war, war crimes no doubt but not singular to Germans

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They kinda were, tho. However there have been some inbetween steps on the Nazi journey to inhumanity. Just recently I read up on their Madagascar plan which included exporting the european jews and even leave them with supplies. Reich bureaucracy already got going but the plan failed because the british naval superiority couldn't have been broken down and the brits obviously wouldn't allow the transport. Unfortunately the incomplete plan just ended up lowering the Nazi taboo levels.
The point is it was not part the plan, that's why the trump comparison is legit
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
People often make the argument that it's hard to disobey superiors and that is why presidents can grow out to be dictators.

But with the kind of resistance Trump is facing, I don't think it's that hard to go against him. I definitely don't think he'll have enough control over the army to go against the will of the people.
I think the question for me is how well Trump manages to create this "us vs them" narrative with White Americans vs Muslims (and to a lesser extent, other minorities). If he manages to create a war of sorts out of it, I could easily see him re-elected, especially with enough terror attacks on American soil during his presidency... His rabid followers won't see it as a failure of his immigration policy, but instead as a reason to implement even more draconian measures.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,344
There were concentration camps everywhere during the war, war crimes no doubt but not singular to Germans

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The point is it was not part the plan, that's why the trump comparison is legit
I agree. And if your point is that were was no German plan from the outset, I'd agree with that too.
 

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