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Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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icemaη;5450046 said:
The reason I said it's a trick question has nothing to do with the people being asked the question, and all to do with the people asking the question, more specifically Mike Pence's stand on homosexuality. Also, it was supposed to be rhetorical.
Since we are already in the conversation, third one is positive for almost all practising Christians as well.

Oh absolutely

Christians, muslims, jews, ....

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Tbh I like it very much. Trump said he would be the people's champion. Most observers warned that a billionaire who got rich through the system is unlikely to change it in favour of the poor and middle class. They chose to elect him anyway.

And now he's robbing them. In broad daylight. To fund a wall that makes zero sense and will be impossible to maintain and secure.

I don't know. I feel like they deserve to have their money taken away from them.

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In that analogy

People voting Party Socialiste or Soclaist party different in belgium, and support ABVV

Deserve to have their jobs taken away from them to china ?
 

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Assuming she had to comment, I don't know what would have been a better response. Also I highly doubt any of the film's cast will be allowed in the US so she's taken a symbolic stand for the most part.
I see, her instagram post in farsi sounds more mature. focused and only talks about the action, than throwing a hissy fit at trump.
 
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You suffer from a severe inferiority complex, low self-esteem, and identity conflict. That's why you cherish the idea of an Islamic empire, cause you take comfort in thinking that one day will come in which "they" would want to be one of "you".

I never felt welcomed in my own country, that I dearly love btw, the way I did in the US. Met some of the nicest people in the world, and am absolutely grateful for every single day that I spent in this country. Sorry to let you down.
fast diagnosis, doctor. i wanted islamic nations to unite not because i wanted them to envy us but i wanted a place where muslims can live free without being murdered, insulted and threatened.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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My problem with you is that I don't believe anymore that you really believe in what you said "various times" before because if you did you'd realize the absurdity of insisting on a term that couples a religion with radicalism (and hiding behind "we are not talking about Islam but radical Islam" dismissing the ramifications such terms can have in the long run; because as long as one believes in Islam they are likely to be showing the radical side of it, that's how dangerous constant use of such terms is). It's even more absurd when it comes from people who didn't and don't give a crap about how major a role their government's policies played in creation of radicalism.

Also I don't buy " my main reason to oppose Clinton was her invasive policies", given your record I can't believe that you'd give a fuck about that. I know it puts an end to this discussion because there's no way for you to defend yourself against what I said, so sorry about it.
You can seek my posts containing the name ,Trump and Clinton.


The main reason i was against Clinton, was because her beeing backed by the entire weapon lobby, and that what she wanted to do in syria would allmost guarantee a massive conflict with russia.
Really Hoori, seek it up if you dont believe me. Its the core beginning. I'm a libertarian from view. I dont like an authoritian like trump per default. But that is exactly what made it for me.

I dont need to defend myself, i'll settle my viewpoint, and if you find that its untrue, you can correct me on what i said before

1) Religiion has always been an easy medium for radical minded people with delusions of grandeur to perform horrible things. But there are alternatives. An idiology suits aswel, like what hitler did, or what the KKK does. Its a similar thing. You use a certain believe of things, to convince people more easily to join your cause.
2) The US illegally invading iraq based upon lies (chemical&biological weapons) fractured the iraqi army. Many solders without a job. Battlehardened people
3) Radical groups, backed by Saudi funding enlisted these mercenaries for significant amounts of money
4) the us and europe deals with saudi's and participated in an illegal war
5) belgium still exports weapons to SA, who suddenly end up in Syria and Iraq. no questions asked offcourse. Barely media coverage bout it here.

Radical islam, is simply radical people wanting things to be like they where before the first crusades. Its not what nearly all muslims want.

I want things to be like they are in Antwerp. It works. I dont want radical hate preechers to turn these people into a suicide bomver.
I dont want them to win and impose sharia law. I want every person to have the same rights and equal rights for each gender.

I think Radical Islam is destructive for this. It creates disparity. It has to go away. Imposing a visum ban is silly. Start by stopping to fund the saudi's. Stop meddeling internationally. make sure people are properly integrated.
 

king Ale

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Oct 28, 2004
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fast diagnosis, doctor. i wanted islamic nations to unite not because i wanted them to envy us but i wanted a place where muslims can live free without being murdered, insulted and threatened.
You might as well give up on the idea of unity where everyone is pursuing their self interests, some more unethically than others. I don't even see any value in such concepts as unity based on something like religion. But even if I did, I wouldn't understand how sectarian mindsets such as those promoted by my country and yours help achieve that.

Every time I talk shit about you I instantly regret it, I think you are a good person but your worldviews are baffling to me, I sometimes think you see the world as a video game in which there are good guys and bad guys and you win ONLY when you kill all the bad guys.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Oh absolutely

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In that analogy

People voting Party Socialiste or Soclaist party different in belgium, and support ABVV

Deserve to have their jobs taken away from them to china ?
People who are explained why voting a certain way will hurt them cannot be surprised when it does. And yes, in a way they do deserve it.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Okay. But if trump said "we will build the wall and mexico will pay for it"

And the taxpayer does.


Id say trump lied rather than they deserve it
Of course he lied. But everyone was warned he would lie, because his promise was impossible. Honestly if you choose to believe a us president will be able to make Mexico pay for a wall, you deserve to have your money taken from you.

And that he'd hurt the middle class was pretty much a given.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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You suffer from a severe inferiority complex, low self-esteem, and identity conflict. That's why you cherish the idea of an Islamic empire, cause you take comfort in thinking that one day will come in which "they" would want to be one of "you".
I'm not a muslim so I wouldn't really know. But I've always felt that because islamic countries have little power in the world it makes their inhabitans more prone to some weird ass ideas.

As a white agnostic European, I feel my intrests are protected and taken into account. I can see why other people might not feel the same way.
 

GordoDeCentral

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Apr 14, 2005
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You might as well give up on the idea of unity where everyone is pursuing their self interests, some more unethically than others. I don't even see any value in such concepts as unity based on something like religion. But even if I did, I wouldn't understand how sectarian mindsets such as those promoted by my country and yours help achieve that.

Every time I talk shit about you I instantly regret it, I think you are a good person but your worldviews are baffling to me, I sometimes think you see the world as a video game in which there are good guys and bad guys and you win ONLY when you kill all the bad guys.
Islamic nations will prosper once the concept of ijmaa and fatwas are taken as just opinions and not conclusive proof, this will stop the power the jurists have over the general populace.
 

IliveForJuve

Burn this club
Jan 17, 2011
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People who are explained why voting a certain way will hurt them cannot be surprised when it does. And yes, in a way they do deserve it.
All the Trump base wanted were high paying jobs that required no education.

Instead, their Social Security is gonna get cut. The price of everything is going to skyrocket from Trade wars. They won't have health care. And they will still be living off food stamps and charity.

Not at all what they expected.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,344
All the Republican/Trump base wanted were high paying jobs that required no education.

Instead, their Social Security is gonna get cut. The price of everything is going to skyrocket from Trade wars. They won't have health care. And they will still be living off food stamps and charity.

Not at all what they expected.

They deserve what they get.
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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Islamic nations will prosper once the concept of ijmaa and fatwas are taken as just opinions and not conclusive proof, this will stop the power the jurists have over the general populace.
It's it not kind of like that in Shia Islam? You are free to follow any of the "Marja"s, who sometimes have different and contrasting opinions.


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GordoDeCentral

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Apr 14, 2005
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You were saying @Zacheryah

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/316432-trump-military-more-important-than-balanced-budget

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It's it not kind of like that in Shia Islam? You are free to follow any of the "Marja"s, who sometimes have different and contrasting opinions.


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Marjaa and imamate constitute the same problem in their claim that their opinion is conclusive proof, even if differing, especially since there is no dogmatic justification to support it.
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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Marjaa and imamate constitute the same problem in their claim that their opinion is conclusive proof, even if differing, especially since there is no dogmatic justification to support it.
The keyword there was contrasting. If you're a Marjaa you can't say you opinion is conclusive proof if your peer, whom you respect, contradicts you.
BTW, I agree that dogmatic interpretation of religion, and representing what you say as conclusive proof is the main problem but I don't think it is the only problem.

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"But sometimes you have to fuel the well in order to really get the economy going"
He's basically supporting a government stimulus, and of course Hannity sits there and doesn't do shit
 

Post Ironic

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"But sometimes you have to fuel the well in order to really get the economy going"
He's basically supporting a government stimulus, and of course Hannity sits there and doesn't do shit
Did anyone with a brain think different? It's been pretty obvious the entire campaign that his policies were basically mirroring Ronald Reagan's, more so as the campaign went on.
 

king Ale

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Oct 28, 2004
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Islamic nations will prosper once the concept of ijmaa and fatwas are taken as just opinions and not conclusive proof, this will stop the power the jurists have over the general populace.
Which will not happen (and i agree with Ronn that in shia islam a marja's fatwa is FAR from a conclusive proof for so many non-followers of that marja's). I also don't think it's the only problem, for many of these acts of terror are carried out by people who don't even know what a fatwa is
 

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