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ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,535
It's confirmed for the most part. Iraq's being on that list is so ironic it's funny. I guess Libya is also on that list.

Not sure about #5 though.

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We don't know yet but it might affect visa renewals for citizens of those countries, in that they won't be able to change visa status from student to work etc. Which will mean I'll leave the US next year this time :D
We can just get married if you want.


And yeah, what Aaron said. These are just executive orders right now. Hey don't mean anything.
 

B3N

Floro Fckin' Flores
May 16, 2010
6,655
Iranian actress Taraneh Alidoosti, the star of best foreign language film nominee "The Salesman," has announced that she will be boycotting the Oscars over President Trump's expected restrictions on immigration to the United States.

"Trump's visa ban for Iranians is racist," Alidoosti tweeted earlier today. "Whether this will include a cultural event or not, I won't attend the #AcademyAwards 2017 in protest."
That's a nice gesture, but a dumb comment. She could at least say as representing Iranians, majority of them are pro life and Iranian-Americans are one of the most productive and educated communities currently in the US and there could be a better system implemented which might as well exactly be what's happening after the initial temporary ban, but she does realize that they burn the US flag in Iran, how's that help your case for calling the US president racist?

Unfortunate this shortsightedness is coming from her, I'd expect it from a typical dumb Iranian actress this way they woulda gotten more spot light than attending the ceremony itself.
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
Hey my fiance will have to go through a status change within next few months. If they treat status change as rumored we'll be following you :D
I made my peace with it though. Looks like living here is not really worth the consequences that comes with it
I'll be on the job market in five months, so suddenly back to the good old times in Iran when you couldn't predict what would happen to you the next day :D it took me four years to convince my dad that he will survive the long flight to the US, today I was talking to him and felt he was secretly happy that he is now officially not allowed in anymore lol.

Regardless of what happens, I made peace with it a while back when Trump's presidency started looking like a real possibility, thought I wouldn't like Trump's America. Also and in all honesty, I couldn't have asked for more from my US experience.

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That's a nice gesture, but a dumb comment. She could at least say as representing Iranians, majority of them are pro life and Iranian-Americans are one of the most productive and educated communities currently in the US and there could be a better system implemented which might as well exactly be what's happening after the initial temporary ban, but she does realize that they burn the US flag in Iran, how's that help your case for calling the US president racist?

Unfortunate this shortsightedness is coming from her, I'd expect it from a typical dumb Iranian actress this way they woulda gotten more spot light than attending the ceremony itself.
Talking about how productive the Iranian community is and maybe why not putting Saudi Arabia on that list (which I hear from many Iranians unfortunately) would have made her sound like a hypocrite who criticizes a wrong decision not because it's wrong, but because it's affecting "her". I don't get what you say.
 

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
16,545
Wait. A 20% Mexico tariff.

Holy fuck. What an idiot :lol:

Basic economics and world trade, anyone?

I'm baffled. Even my lazy and hormonal disturbed teenagers in my 8th grade Social Science class gets how stupid this is.

:rofl: yet :sad:

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We don't know yet but it might affect visa renewals for citizens of those countries, in that they won't be able to change visa status from student to work etc. Which will mean I'll leave the US next year this time :D
Why not come live in Denmark.

Oh, wait. Never mind..



:lol:
 

B3N

Floro Fckin' Flores
May 16, 2010
6,655
I'll be on the job market in five months, so suddenly back to the good old times in Iran when you couldn't predict what would happen to you the next day :D it took me four years to convince my dad that he will survive the long flight to the US, today I was talking to him and felt he was secretly happy that he is now officially not allowed in anymore lol.

Regardless of what happens, I made peace with it a while back when Trump's presidency started looking like a real possibility, thought I wouldn't like Trump's America. Also and in all honesty, I couldn't have asked for more from my US experience.

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Talking about how productive the Iranian community is and maybe why not putting Saudi Arabia on that list (which I hear from many Iranians unfortunately) would have made her sound like a hypocrite who criticizes a wrong decision not because it's wrong, but because it's affecting "her". I don't get what you say.
I did say on be half of Iranians. What I mean is she could have given a more thoughtful reasoning for her action, because just calling him racist is also hypocritical for what the Iranian government ( I'm not quite sure about the other countries on the list) promotes on weekly basis.
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
I did say on be half of Iranians. What I mean is she could have given a more thoughtful reasoning for her action, because just calling him racist is also hypocritical for what the Iranian government ( I'm not quite sure about the other countries on the list) promotes on weekly basis.
She's not representing the Iranian government. It's an individual stand (which I don't necessarily find important, impactful or brave). I respect her for not having made it about Iran (i.e., productive and educated community, as if it's only bad if it affects us). Btw, she's also extremely vocal on the very many instances of human rights violations in Iran, so definitely not a hypocrite.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
Because Islam doesn't have a radical and a peaceful side to it. It can't even evolve to take various shapes and meanings. To help you understand it better, take US foreign policies for example. Unlike Islam, which is a constant concept, they can have evil and not as much evil sides to them depending on who makes them. Some can take lives of thousands of innocents, leaving a whole region in mess for generations to come, while some can only lead to displacement of thousands of civilians. Your hero Bush is a war criminal who is particularly responsible for some of those evil ones. But welcome to 2017, where for your "kind" using the term radical islam is a bigger deal than invading nations, killing and droning them. You truly disgust me. I'm not using labels btw, I'm telling you how i feel about you and the idiotic bs you spew.
1) I have no problem with Islam itself, aside form it categorally hating gay people. I have said this various times before, and you have seen me say it various times before. Not sure why you ignore all that.
2) I have criticized the US foreign policy many times before, and you have seen this many times before. I gave my criticism about the second gulf war, about the way they influenced a coup in ukraine, how they put dictators in charge and later get them out.
I have said my view on how the second gulf war and dealing with Saudi arabia basically created IS. I've said i didnt want Clinton as it just continue's that foreign policy
3) I've had various amounts of criticism for Bush, and the only positive thing i've ever said about Bush was that his speech following the copkilling by BLM was very good, which i didnt expect of him, while Obama was very poor in comparison.
4) I said 'radical Islam'. Not 'Islam'. In fact i've made that quite clear many times.
5) i'll repeat 1 that i have no issue with islam itself. I lived 5 years in the most multicultural (well, multi ethnical, 90% is muslim) region outside brussels, my gym is next to an islamic saturday school. Never an issue. Then we have Molenbeek brussels, which is a festering ulcer of radicalisation that has to be rooted out
5) Radical islam is a true issue that has to be called and dealt with. There are no two ways around it. You yourself are impacted with it. Radical islam is what makes country's move more rightwing politically. Its what will continue to create these screening on muslims. Continue to influence public perception. The more lives they take with their suidice bombing, the worse it will become. And yes, i know that its exponentially worse in the middle east where you get a daily suicide attack. Where we see Iraq and Turkey lose people consistantly. But people are affected at what is close to them.

The thing is really didnt like about your post, is how you know all these things as i've said them before. You know i dislike the israely thing. You know i dislike bush and america's invasive politics.You know that was my main reason to be against Clinton . You know i've lived and continue to train in a 90% islamic area. But i dare to say 'radical islam' and you say this crap. Not very nice.

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Note : by saying that it should be dealth with, i mean the Moroccan way. Not the visum bans Trump proposes

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icemaη;5450020 said:
That homosexuality question is a trick one no?
yup
First one makes complete sense. Second one to. Third one is positive for nearly all muslims so shouldnt be there
 

B3N

Floro Fckin' Flores
May 16, 2010
6,655
She's not representing the Iranian government. It's an individual stand (which I don't necessarily find important, impactful or brave). I respect her for not having made it about Iran (i.e., productive and educated community, as if it's only bad if it affects us). Btw, she's also extremely vocal on the very many instances of human rights violations in Iran, so definitely not a hypocrite.
"Trump's visa ban for Iranians is racist"
That's why I brought up the "productive an educated", by no means I indicate the other immigrants communities are of less importance and I'm sure they are also voicing their concerns.
Even if it's an individual stance as you say, her comments will be first and foremost associated with Iran (notice the opening of the article), and it definitely will be of no importance with that type of response.
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
1) I have no problem with Islam itself, aside form it categorally hating gay people. I have said this various times before, and you have seen me say it various times before. Not sure why you ignore all that.
2) I have criticized the US foreign policy many times before, and you have seen this many times before. I gave my criticism about the second gulf war, about the way they influenced a coup in ukraine, how they put dictators in charge and later get them out.
I have said my view on how the second gulf war and dealing with Saudi arabia basically created IS. I've said i didnt want Clinton as it just continue's that foreign policy
3) I've had various amounts of criticism for Bush, and the only positive thing i've ever said about Bush was that his speech following the copkilling by BLM was very good, which i didnt expect of him, while Obama was very poor in comparison.
4) I said 'radical Islam'. Not 'Islam'. In fact i've made that quite clear many times.
5) i'll repeat 1 that i have no issue with islam itself. I lived 5 years in the most multicultural (well, multi ethnical, 90% is muslim) region outside brussels, my gym is next to an islamic saturday school. Never an issue. Then we have Molenbeek brussels, which is a festering ulcer of radicalisation that has to be rooted out
5) Radical islam is a true issue that has to be called and dealt with. There are no two ways around it. You yourself are impacted with it. Radical islam is what makes country's move more rightwing politically. Its what will continue to create these screening on muslims. Continue to influence public perception. The more lives they take with their suidice bombing, the worse it will become. And yes, i know that its exponentially worse in the middle east where you get a daily suicide attack. Where we see Iraq and Turkey lose people consistantly. But people are affected at what is close to them.

The thing is really didnt like about your post, is how you know all these things as i've said them before. You know i dislike the israely thing. You know i dislike bush and america's invasive politics.You know that was my main reason to be against Clinton . You know i've lived and continue to train in a 90% islamic area. But i dare to say 'radical islam' and you say this crap. Not very nice.

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Note : by saying that it should be dealth with, i mean the Moroccan way. Not the visum bans Trump proposes
My problem with you is that I don't believe anymore that you really believe in what you said "various times" before because if you did you'd realize the absurdity of insisting on a term that couples a religion with radicalism (and hiding behind "we are not talking about Islam but radical Islam" dismissing the ramifications such terms can have in the long run; because as long as one believes in Islam they are likely to be showing the radical side of it, that's how dangerous constant use of such terms is). It's even more absurd when it comes from people who didn't and don't give a crap about how major a role their government's policies played in creation of radicalism.

Also I don't buy " my main reason to oppose Clinton was her invasive policies", given your record I can't believe that you'd give a fuck about that. I know it puts an end to this discussion because there's no way for you to defend yourself against what I said, so sorry about it.
 

icemaη

Rab's Husband - The Regista
Moderator
Aug 27, 2008
36,368
yup
First one makes complete sense. Second one to. Third one is positive for nearly all muslims so shouldnt be there
The reason I said it's a trick question has nothing to do with the people being asked the question, and all to do with the people asking the question, more specifically Mike Pence's stand on homosexuality. Also, it was supposed to be rhetorical.
Since we are already in the conversation, third one is positive for almost all practising Christians as well.
 

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
16,545
My problem with you is that I don't believe anymore that you really believe in what you said "various times" before because if you did you'd realize the absurdity of insisting on a term that couples a religion with radicalism (and hiding behind "we are not talking about Islam but radical Islam" dismissing the ramifications such terms can have in the long run; because as long as one believes in Islam they are likely to be showing the radical side of it, that's how dangerous constant use of such terms is). It's even more absurd when it comes from people who didn't and don't give a crap about how major a role their government's policies played in creation of radicalism.
Would you prefer to have it called Islamic fundamentalism instead?
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
"Trump's visa ban for Iranians is racist"
That's why I brought up the "productive an educated", by no means I indicate the other immigrants communities are of less importance and I'm sure they are also voicing their concerns.
Even if it's an individual stance as you say, her comments will be first and foremost associated with Iran (notice the opening of the article), and it definitely will be of no importance with that type of response.
https://instagram.com/p/BPueQAOBTKl/

Assuming she had to comment, I don't know what would have been a better response. Also I highly doubt any of the film's cast will be allowed in the US so she's taken a symbolic stand for the most part.

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Would you prefer to have it called Islamic fundamentalism instead?
I wouldn't associate it with a neutral concept such as Islam. It does equate every single Muslim (yes, although it's apparently not focusing on Islam in its entirety) with potential threats who could explode any time.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,343
Wait. A 20% Mexico tariff.

Holy fuck. What an idiot

Basic economics and world trade, anyone?

I'm baffled. Even my lazy and hormonal disturbed teenagers in my 8th grade Social Science class gets how stupid this is.

:rofl: yet :sad:
Tbh I like it very much. Trump said he would be the people's champion. Most observers warned that a billionaire who got rich through the system is unlikely to change it in favour of the poor and middle class. They chose to elect him anyway.

And now he's robbing them. In broad daylight. To fund a wall that makes zero sense and will be impossible to maintain and secure.

I don't know. I feel like they deserve to have their money taken away from them.

Verstuurd vanaf mijn A0001 met Tapatalk
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
21,689
every cloud has a silver lining. i told you that you will never be one of them. maybe this will make you understand it.
You suffer from a severe inferiority complex, low self-esteem, and identity conflict. That's why you cherish the idea of an Islamic empire, cause you take comfort in thinking that one day will come in which "they" would want to be one of "you".

I never felt welcomed in my own country, that I dearly love btw, the way I did in the US. Met some of the nicest people in the world, and am absolutely grateful for every single day that I spent in this country. Sorry to let you down.
 

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