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Sir Miss-A-Lot

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It's a great deal for Carrier.
Which is what often work - mutually beneficial deals. Trump plans on lowering corporate taxes anyway. To be honest this Carrier deal is, even if the overall impact turns out to be low, a great piece of communication by the Trump camp. Shows that he is actually willing to back his claims on doing something to protect the labor heavy production industry within the US, even if it comes at a price.
 

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Which is what often work - mutually beneficial deals. Trump plans on lowering corporate taxes anyway. To be honest this Carrier deal is, even if the overall impact turns out to be low, a great piece of communication by the Trump camp. Shows that he is actually willing to back his claims on doing something to protect the labor heavy production industry within the US, even if it comes at a price.
Im sure the 1300 people that Trump let down dont see it that way.
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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US House of Representatives Science Committee for you, ladies and gentlemen:

[video=twitter;804402881982066688]https://twitter.com/HouseScience/status/804402881982066688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw[/video]
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Excellent job by the Trump campaign and Carrier to save US jobs. Already saved more jobs than Obongo and they aren't even in office yet!

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It surely isn't Trump that let them down. The company had already decided to offshore. How you can find this to be the responsibility of Trump is beyond my comprehension. Are you sure you aren't biased?
Democrats are just jealous that Trump is better than them at saving US jobs. Elite Democrats are pissed they aren't shipping off more US jobs to increase their poor voter base.
 

Ronn

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Which is what often work - mutually beneficial deals. Trump plans on lowering corporate taxes anyway. To be honest this Carrier deal is, even if the overall impact turns out to be low, a great piece of communication by the Trump camp. Shows that he is actually willing to back his claims on doing something to protect the labor heavy production industry within the US, even if it comes at a price.
Credit where it's due. If 7m is the only thing Carrier got in return it is indeed a great deal for Indiana. However, we don't know the full details of the deal. there are rumors that United Technologies were threatened that they might lose defense contracts, which, if true, is a good way to punish companies who outsourse. On the other hand, Carrier got a tax break and still shipped 1300 jobs to Mexico. which is not exactly "facing consequences".
Also, saving jobs in 1 company cannot be called a "policy". I'll wait until a good policy is announced before rejoicing.
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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Excellent job by the Trump campaign and Carrier to save US jobs. Already saved more jobs than Obongo and they aren't even in office yet!

Democrats are just jealous that Trump is better than them at saving US jobs. Elite Democrats are pissed they aren't shipping off more US jobs to increase their poor voter base.

"Saving US jobs" - lol. I can't believe that people who think the government should do fuck all in terms of healthcare should be allowed to meddle with the market and force companies to employ Americans.
 

Zacheryah

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You can stimulate companies to remain in various ways. Its just tricky to do when its about worker jobs that dont require higher education, when China offers the same except that your personel costs barely anything
 

Sir Miss-A-Lot

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May 22, 2013
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Democrats are just jealous that Trump is better than them at saving US jobs. Elite Democrats are pissed they aren't shipping off more US jobs to increase their poor voter base.
I think it's way to early to conclude Trump and his governments ability to protect manufacturing jobs (and alike). But Trump has made an early stance, showing that he is willing to make it a priority. It will be interesting to see how he will conduct actual policy on the area.

Credit where it's due. If 7m is the only thing Carrier got in return it is indeed a great deal for Indiana. However, we don't know the full details of the deal. there are rumors that United Technologies were threatened that they might lose defense contracts, which, if true, is a good way to punish companies who outsourse. On the other hand, Carrier got a tax break and still shipped 1300 jobs to Mexico. which is not exactly "facing consequences".
Also, saving jobs in 1 company cannot be called a "policy". I'll wait until a good policy is announced before rejoicing.
I agree with you - it's too early to conclude that he should be a succes in this regard. But also, and that was my point, way too early to conclude that he won't. What i believe i expressed pretty clearly, and what was certainly my point, is that this is a symbolic piece of communication - showing that Trump will do something (and not just talk cheap during the election), even if he will not in every case be able to reach a perfect solution and even if it in some cases will have a 'cost'. He is not even in office yet, but has already taken action. As i already wrote in this post in my response to Bjerknes: I look forward to see actual policy conducted on the area.

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I wonder what the corporate tax rate to 15% will do.

It will hurt other western nations. But to be fair the US should look at itself first.
Trumps policy (or what is expected from him policy-wise) definetely has a backside for EU. How large this effect will be depends on a lot of things, one of them being how the european nations will react. A lower corporate tax level in the US will, as you say, have an impact on Europe. On the other hand, a strong US in growth will also create growth in Europe, so we can't yet conclude what the total effect will be. I hope though, that this could lead to western european nations thinking about tax cuts as well. We are taxed way too heavily in most western european countries.
 

Ronn

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I agree with you - it's too early to conclude that he should be a succes in this regard. But also, and that was my point, way too early to conclude that he won't. What i believe i expressed pretty clearly, and what was certainly my point, is that this is a symbolic piece of communication - showing that Trump will do something (and not just talk cheap during the election), even if he will not in every case be able to reach a perfect solution and even if it in some cases will have a 'cost'. He is not even in office yet, but has already taken action. As i already wrote in this post in my response to Bjerknes: I look forward to see actual policy conducted on the area.
Well, I actually hate what you call "symbolic piece of communication". All of the populists in the world start with those kind of symbolic stuff. As I said, a comprehensive policy or nothing. I'll hold my judgment till then.
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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US House of Representatives Science Committee for you, ladies and gentlemen:

[video=twitter;804402881982066688]https://twitter.com/HouseScience/status/804402881982066688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw[/video]
Breitbart is like my Nature or Science. :heart:

"Saving US jobs" - lol. I can't believe that people who think the government should do fuck all in terms of healthcare should be allowed to meddle with the market and force companies to employ Americans.
True. It's funny how the bitching and moaning about government spending and handouts suddenly takes a back seat when government money is used to subsidize jobs in a dying industry through tax breaks and corporate incentives.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Breitbart is like my Nature or Science.



True. It's funny how the bitching and moaning about government spending and handouts suddenly takes a back seat when government money is used to subsidize jobs in a dying industry through tax breaks and corporate incentives.
Andy has embraced Keynesian economics :agree:
You want to know the scary part? Read Andy's post again. It's something Trump could have said. 'Better at saving jobs', 'jealous', 'elite democrats'.

Mob mentality through gross oversimplifications. I wish America good luck with the stupid as fuck thirty year old manchilds who bitch they've seen it all.
 

Sir Miss-A-Lot

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May 22, 2013
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Well, I actually hate what you call "symbolic piece of communication". All of the populists in the world start with those kind of symbolic stuff. As I said, a comprehensive policy or nothing. I'll hold my judgment till then.
You might hate it, but for a lot of people, it means something. Not everyone has the ability to understand and interpret the affects of actual policy, and will instead form opinions on things like these. It's sad that the world is like this, but that's just how it is... And Trump has been very bold in his statements on this matter, also receiving many votes from it, so he has to deliver "results" (in the eyes of the uneducated public) from day 1.
 

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