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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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You are ridiculously hard on Obama, Andy. It might do you good to try and see politicians for what they are. On both sides. You need to start thinking for yourself, man.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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You are ridiculously hard on Obama, Andy. It might do you good to try and see politicians for what they are. On both sides. You need to start thinking for yourself, man.
I see them for what they are. On both sides. I'm also not here telling you what to think of Belgian politicians.

I don't really know anything about this Zero Hedge website. Is it one of your primary sources for news?
They typically link to sources. But ZeroHedge is a great site.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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You are so narrowminded it is downright scary.
:shocked: Spooky.

It is an orgy of paranoia and pessimism. Every day it's the latest article about the thing that will end the world. And yet the next morning they're able to do the same thing, every day.

Yeah, for the op-ed pieces. But they have a lot of good data they post regarding the markets.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
70,780
You are ridiculously hard on Obama, Andy. It might do you good to try and see politicians for what they are. On both sides. You need to start thinking for yourself, man.
It is an orgy of paranoia and pessimism. Every day it's the latest article about the thing that will end the world. And yet the next morning they're able to do the same thing, every day.

:tup:

I actually just cut a person quite dear to me out of my life for similar reasons, a combo of closemindedness and pessimism. Btw I'm not saying Andy is like that, but that really is a toxic trait combo.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,938
It depends on what we're talking about. There's nothing wrong with being pessimistic on the situation in DC and the economy. Though, if that's how you operate with everything in life, then yeah it would be a problem.
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
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It depends on what we're talking about. There's nothing wrong with being pessimistic on the situation in DC and the economy. Though, if that's how you operate with everything in life, then yeah it would be a problem.
It's true that the worst case scenarios are underreported in a lot of mediums. Take financial markets and our buddy Jim Cramer. And people who put a rosy spin on everything make me vomit daisies.

But the art of the chiaroscuro is the contrast between dark and light. The dark becomes that much darker when it is compared with daylight. Dark on dark is just, well, gray after a while.

So when everything is doom and gloom 24x7, it dilutes it. Darkness becomes a cheap commodity. So much so that it merely becomes the equal and opposite of Jim Cramer pumping up every crackpot investment. As if Jim Cramer were pitching the investment upside of doom and chaos futures. Same guilt, different direction.

And to X's point, people like that can suck any enjoyment out of life if you're around them too long.

Tyler Durden writes the articles. That's all you need to know about it :p
For the record, I am a big fan of Tyler and his philosophies. Let it be said...
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,318
http://www.xojane.com/issues/stephanie-cegielski-donald-trump-campaign-defector

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In not really other news, Trump said you should torture terrorists even if they're already complying with the question of the officers.
That's silly.

What's also silly is this notion that we shouldn't torture them for information. As long as it is credible information, I say torture is fine. Especially if it may save lives.

Of course, any evidence gathered by torture cannot result in a conviction. So you'd have to let most of them go afterwards. You can't convict them, because you went against everything a modern 'rechtsstaat' is.

All of this assuming you play by the rules and don't lock them up anyway.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,318
Plus torture isn't really a reliable source of information.
Yes, that's the main argument against torture. We can act all high and mighty, but when your child is abducted you sure as hell would torture someone who has information. The question becomes if you can trust that information.
 

Raz

Senior Member
Nov 20, 2005
12,218
Yes, that's the main argument against torture. We can act all high and mighty, but when your child is abducted you sure as hell would torture someone who has information. The question becomes if you can trust that information.
So you're for torture?
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,318
So you're for torture?
Sure.

Have you ever seen Unthinkable? It is supposed to be about a moral dilemma. Samuel L. Jackson tortures a terrorist to get information about three bomb locations. The bombs are placed in major American cities. In this case I'm all about utilitarianism. You choose the moral action that results in the least amount of suffering. Millions die if you don't resort to torture. One suffers if you do. I say go ahead and torture the man. However, if you manage to retrieve the bombs and the only evidence you have against this man (unlikely, but it happens) is his confession which you got through torture, you cannot convict him.

But all of this is assuming that the information you gather is reliable.
 

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