'Murica! (182 Viewers)

[Ronn]

Not by me.

Not that I predicted Trump would win but I predicted it'd be a lot closer than most thought for several reasons:
- many dems disliked Hilarity & won't come out to vote
- many dems didn't see point of voting thinking it was a slam dunk for Hilarity either way
- Orange Julius lovers on the other hand were def gonna vote
- poles didn't take into account many trump supporters aren't tech savvy and were less likely to take part in online polls

As for 2020, Trump having little chance to win is staring at you in the face. Any diff conclusion is a result of analysis paralysis.

Most of respectable polls are not online. The reason they were skewed was that their sampling left out likely Trump voters because nobody knew what their voting pattern is. The polls should be more accurate now that 2016 and 2018 data is available.

 

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[Enron]

Went to my first gun show this weekend.


Que the triggering.

Murica.

really? There are like 4 gun shows a week in Utah

 

[X Æ A-12]

really? There are like 4 gun shows a week in Utah

yea even SF has regular gun shows. technically Daly City, but same thing

 

[Hust]

really? There are like 4 gun shows a week in Utah

I live near the NRA here in Northern VA. LOL there is another one in December here. They are frequent here as well, I've just never made it to one.

 

[lgorTudor]

really? There are like 4 gun shows a week in Utah

I am so jealous of your freedom

 

[Valerio.]

I know. That’s Bernie and Warren’s plan. But 1-nobody likes higher taxes and 2- the transition period to no private PRIMARY health insurance makes people nervous.
Also fish is a strange choice for being a symbol for health.

Well they should consider that they'd spending much less than paying more taxes.
Imagine in your whole life how much you'd spend for pharma and healthcare and imagine a 200$ tax everymonth that cover up anything and everything.
From blood test to a surgery.
How much it cost any random serious surgery? your home? a life in debt?

anyway "as healthy as a fish"

The popular saying "as healthy as a fish" has roots in antiquity, a time when fish were seen as living beings that never got sick: in truth even fish got sick, but due to the natural selection of the species, hardly in nature it was possible to observe a seriously ill fish.

 

[Elvin]

Well they should consider that they'd spending much less than paying more taxes.
Imagine in your whole life how much you'd spend for pharma and healthcare and imagine a 200$ tax everymonth that cover up anything and everything.
From blood test to a surgery.
How much it cost any random serious surgery? your home? a life in debt?

anyway "as healthy as a fish"

The popular saying "as healthy as a fish" has roots in antiquity, a time when fish were seen as living beings that never got sick: in truth even fish got sick, but due to the natural selection of the species, hardly in nature it was possible to observe a seriously ill fish.

Not to mention fish is one of the healthiest things to eat as well.

 

[ALC]

Not to mention fish is one of the healthiest things to eat as well.

if you like mercury poisoning, sure.

 

[Ronn]

Well they should consider that they'd spending much less than paying more taxes.
Imagine in your whole life how much you'd spend for pharma and healthcare and imagine a 200$ tax everymonth that cover up anything and everything.
From blood test to a surgery.
How much it cost any random serious surgery? your home? a life in debt?

anyway "as healthy as a fish"

The popular saying "as healthy as a fish" has roots in antiquity, a time when fish were seen as living beings that never got sick: in truth even fish got sick, but due to the natural selection of the species, hardly in nature it was possible to observe a seriously ill fish.

You're preaching to the choir
But if you have a good job you usually get health insurance through your job. So a single-payer health insurance means you pay higher taxes and get something that you already have. That's the political problem. It's hard to change something that people are already used to, unless the current system results in a catastrophe, and by that I mean a large number of people die or go bankrupt. We're not there yet, but getting close.

 

[X Æ A-12]

You're preaching to the choir
But if you have a good job you usually get health insurance through your job. So a single-payer health insurance means you pay higher taxes and get something that you already have. That's the political problem. It's hard to change something that people are already used to, unless the current system results in a catastrophe, and by that I mean a large number of people die or go bankrupt. We're not there yet, but getting close.

Seems awfully short sighted though. Even if you have good health insurance and no healthcare expenses you can still recognize millions of other people don't have that fortune.

You've got to have had your head buried in the sand to think all is good.

 

[Ronn]

Seems awfully short sighted though. Even if you have good health insurance and no healthcare expenses you can still recognize millions of other people don't have that fortune.

You've got to have had your head buried in the sand to think all is good.

Do you see anything in this political climate that leads you to believe that statement?

 

[ALC]

Seems awfully short sighted though. Even if you have good health insurance and no healthcare expenses you can still recognize millions of other people don't have that fortune.

You've got to have had your head buried in the sand to think all is good.

yeah, the whole idea of “modern” Republicans is to not help others and have no state or regulations. They want to pay as little taxes as possible, not realizing they’re still paying a lot more than corporations and rich people.

take a look at how estate tax rates have gone down and how the limit keeps going up, all so rich people pay less and less. Poor and middle class republicans literally have very low concept of math. The ones that do, stand a lot to gain by lower taxes.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Do you see anything in this political climate that leads you to believe that statement?

que?

 

[Ronn]

que?

Do you see anything in this political climate that leads you to believe that "Even if you have good health insurance and no healthcare expenses you can still recognize millions of other people don't have that fortune "?
Country is so divided. A lot of southern folks vote directly against their own interest because they want to "own the libs". As ALC also said, selfishness is openly being praised. You should remember that in the heart of Tea Party Ayn Rand books were like their second bible.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Do you see anything in this political climate that leads you to believe that "Even if you have good health insurance and no healthcare expenses you can still recognize millions of other people don't have that fortune "?
Country is so divided. A lot of southern folks vote directly against their own interest because they want to "own the libs". As ALC also said, selfishness is openly being praised. You should remember that in the heart of Tea Party Ayn Rand books were like their second bible.

Yea i can see that people are more interested in sticking it to someone then improving their lives. point that out to one of these folks and even still their response is "yea maybe but but the other side!!"

its a sickness and i blame the sensationalist media culture for it.

never read Ayn Rand (heard its crap) but i dont approach the healthcare debate from ideological left or right stand point more from an empathetic one where i see a system that is not working in a country that can afford to do better.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Well they should consider that they'd spending much less than paying more taxes.
Imagine in your whole life how much you'd spend for pharma and healthcare and imagine a 200$ tax everymonth that cover up anything and everything.
From blood test to a surgery.
How much it cost any random serious surgery? your home? a life in debt?

anyway "as healthy as a fish"

The popular saying "as healthy as a fish" has roots in antiquity, a time when fish were seen as living beings that never got sick: in truth even fish got sick, but due to the natural selection of the species, hardly in nature it was possible to observe a seriously ill fish.

You know in most cases you still have to pay every paycheck towards your health insurance even if it's provided by your employer, right? At my previous job, it was $180/month (if I were to purchase the same coverage myself, it would be around $800/month). Plus on top of that there's a co-pay for doctor visits (mine was $30, $50 for ER visits), as well as payment for any tests, medications, follow-ups, etc. So really, me and my employer have to pay every paycheck for the opportunity to pay less when I need medical care.

So to sum it up, $200 a month and be done with it sounds pretty decent, tbh.

 

[X Æ A-12]

You know in most cases you still have to pay every paycheck towards your health insurance even if it's provided by your employer, right? At my previous job, it was $180/month (if I were to purchase the same coverage myself, it would be around $800/month). Plus on top of that there's a co-pay for doctor visits (mine was $30, $50 for ER visits), as well as payment for any tests, medications, follow-ups, etc. So really, me and my employer have to pay every paycheck for the opportunity to pay less when I need medical care.

So to sum it up, $200 a month and be done with it sounds pretty decent, tbh.

its almost like, even if you have a good setup, you are already paying the feared tax increase. The other argument, that if its government provided then you are paying for all the others who go through the system and don't pay, is equally dumb because you are already doing that anyway.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

its almost like, even if you have a good setup, you are already paying the feared tax increase. The other argument, that if its government provided then you are paying for all the others who go through the system and don't pay, is equally dumb because you are already doing that anyway.

Basically. We have a pretty shit system right now all things considered.

 

[Post Ironic]

Basically. We have a pretty shit system right now all things considered.

It's funny how the arguments around tax rates have changed so drastically post-Reagan tax cuts for the wealthy in the 80s. The idea of even a percent or two hike is considered election suicide now.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

It's funny how the arguments around tax rates have changed so drastically post-Reagan tax cuts for the wealthy in the 80s. The idea of even a percent or two hike is considered election suicide now.

People that grew up during the 80s did so with this pervasive social mentality that valued greed, excess, and instant gratification. It makes sense that you'd have that demographic voting accordingly.