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Sorry but the bolded part is bullshit. I have lived in Bolivia almost my whole life and the general population's ignorance far out weighs the opposition's (in)competence.
It's a populist country where facts and evidence on the government's killing of innocent people are disregarded and ignored by the stupid majority.
It's a populist country where facts and evidence on the government's killing of innocent people are disregarded and ignored by the stupid majority.
Here's the thing: I can completely understand the case againdt Clinton. I can understand not voting at all, or voting for a third candidate. I mean I strongly disagree with those choices, but I can understand them.
What I'll probably never be able to understand is how any rational person could be voting for Trump. Meaning, I know about the social phenomena behind his support that Maddy mentioned, but I doubt I'll ever be able to put myself in the mind of a Trumo supporter.
What I'll probably never be able to understand is how any rational person could be voting for Trump. Meaning, I know about the social phenomena behind his support that Maddy mentioned, but I doubt I'll ever be able to put myself in the mind of a Trumo supporter.
You're right in some areas, but you need to look past the whole "White America" nonsense. The average Joe doesn't sit on his couch and blame colored folks for their problems. You are lessening the importance of the message by making such a gross generalization. Just like anybody, they compare their standard of living now to what it used to be. For most people, they see the media and government pushing the agenda that the economy has greatly improved, while they really aren't any better off than they were before. So naturally, they don't trust the establishment candidates, especially when there is criminal activity involved with email scandals and the like. But you wouldn't know that sitting by a computer all day; go talk to people on the ground. Same with the military. How can those in the military vote for Hillary when they would be court martialed for doing what she did?
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It's a simple matter of weighing options between the lesser of two evils. How can the military vote for Hillary?
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It's a simple matter of weighing options between the lesser of two evils. How can the military vote for Hillary?
Well, can't remember where I read it, but I think it's a good short explanation to trump's success.
The media takes Trump literally, but not seriously. His voters takes him seriously, but not literally.
So when Trump speaks about a wall across the mexican border, they don't literally think he'll get a wall build, but they do here someone wanting to do something about illegal immigration. Economy, crime etc. is the same pattern.
To me Trump is a hot-air balloon, but that won't keep me from [trying to] understand the patterns behind the populistic movements, we see across the Western World. That would simply be an arrogant and lazy attitude that would get my ideas and beliefs (Social Democracy) nowhere.
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Calling voters stupid and ignorant might be true, but they've always been stupid and ignorant, which means there's something else behind the desire to vote Le Pen, UKIP, Trump etc.
The media takes Trump literally, but not seriously. His voters takes him seriously, but not literally.
So when Trump speaks about a wall across the mexican border, they don't literally think he'll get a wall build, but they do here someone wanting to do something about illegal immigration. Economy, crime etc. is the same pattern.
To me Trump is a hot-air balloon, but that won't keep me from [trying to] understand the patterns behind the populistic movements, we see across the Western World. That would simply be an arrogant and lazy attitude that would get my ideas and beliefs (Social Democracy) nowhere.
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Calling voters stupid and ignorant might be true, but they've always been stupid and ignorant, which means there's something else behind the desire to vote Le Pen, UKIP, Trump etc.
Of course there is. But the fact is, you still have to be stupid. Voting for Hitler in the 1930's was probably more understandable than voting for Trump today. The man struggles to have an actual agenda, is incoherent and frankly batshit crazy. No matter the underlying reasons or mechanisms that make people vote for him, they still have to be obnoxiously stupid to begin with.
Or you know arrogant like Andy.
Or you know arrogant like Andy.
Andy isn't arrogant. He is fearful. Suffers from angst and paranoia.
The rest I obviosly don't agree with. Secondly it's not a fact, it's an opinion. And it's a simple and unuanced opinion; very similar to Trump in terms of intellectual depth and trying to find the truth (the idea found in epistemology)
The rest I obviosly don't agree with. Secondly it's not a fact, it's an opinion. And it's a simple and unuanced opinion; very similar to Trump in terms of intellectual depth and trying to find the truth (the idea found in epistemology)
This is exactly it, and Trump knows it. His appeal to black and hispanic voters was about as direct an example of it as there is. "What do you have to lose by trying something new, like Trump? You're living in your poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58 per cent of your youth is unemployed — what the hell do you have to lose?"
It's always an uphill battle for the establishment to fight against such populism in times like these, in large part because of the conditions the establishment itself has created, and the lack of trust remaining from the large swathe of the public that is swayed by such appeals. The democrats didn't do themselves any favours by selecting a nominee that the public already had massive trust issues with.
It's always an uphill battle for the establishment to fight against such populism in times like these, in large part because of the conditions the establishment itself has created, and the lack of trust remaining from the large swathe of the public that is swayed by such appeals. The democrats didn't do themselves any favours by selecting a nominee that the public already had massive trust issues with.
