'Murica! (237 Viewers)

[IliveForJuve]

Don't call anything bullshit you've clearly not understood. Secondly don't change ignorance to incompetence.

But please enlighten me to why we see the populist movements in the Western world, now that you can call out my "bullshit" (Bolivia is not a part of this).

Ignorance/incompetence w/e.

You said that like it's the absolute truth. I just wanted to point out it's the other way in some countries.

Btw, I do agree with what you said on populism and the "Western world".

 

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[Quetzalcoatl]

(Since we don't have a General News thread)

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/28/news/override-obama-veto-911-bill/

Why would Obama veto that legislation to allow 9/11 victims' families to sue Saudi Arabia? Is he really serious with his reason?


"Enacting JASTA into law ... would neither protect Americans from terrorists attacks nor improve the effectiveness of our response to such attacks. Doing so would instead threaten to erode sovereign principles that protect the United States, including our U.S. Armed Forces and other officials, overseas," Obama wrote. "That is why I vetoed the bill and why I believe you should vote to sustain the veto."

Meaning that he's afraid that the US gets sued too for their crimes overseas?

 

[Enron]

(Since we don't have a General News thread)

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/28/news/override-obama-veto-911-bill/

Why would Obama veto that legislation to allow 9/11 victims' families to sue Saudi Arabia? Is he really serious with his reason?


"Enacting JASTA into law ... would neither protect Americans from terrorists attacks nor improve the effectiveness of our response to such attacks. Doing so would instead threaten to erode sovereign principles that protect the United States, including our U.S. Armed Forces and other officials, overseas," Obama wrote. "That is why I vetoed the bill and why I believe you should vote to sustain the veto."

Meaning that he's afraid that the US gets sued too for their crimes overseas?

Probably that and we have various secret bases in Saudi Arabia to protect.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Probably that and we have various secret bases in Saudi Arabia to protect.

So what's gonna happen if they're successfully sued and shown to have a role in 9/11? Will they still be allies?

 

[Enron]

So what's gonna happen if they're successfully sued and shown to have a role in 9/11? Will they still be allies?

Maybe. But I don't think they'll be sued.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Maybe. But I don't think they'll be sued.

How unfortunate

 

[Enron]

How unfortunate

I don't know if it is possible for individuals to sue a nation that they do not reside in. But who knows, maybe it is possible?

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

I don't know if it is possible for individuals to sue a nation that they do not reside in. But who knows, maybe it is possible?

Well these people seem to be pursuing it seriously and Obama couldn't stop it so I guess

 

[Enron]

Well these people seem to be pursuing it seriously and Obama couldn't stop it so I guess

I haven't heard of this case until now, but then again I live in Mexico so if it doesn't make the front of the Times or Post, I don't know about it.

 

[Ronn]

I don't know if it is possible for individuals to sue a nation that they do not reside in. But who knows, maybe it is possible?

I think it is possible. Victims of a 1983 bombing in Lebanon successfully sued Iran for 2 billion dollars. Congress passed a law which allowed the victims to be paid from money belonging to Iran and currently blocked in US banks. In April Supreme Court upheld that law


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[Fred]

How about the Lockerbie incident, didn't families successfully sue the Libyan government for that one?

It's a slippery slope though, and as with almost everything in international relations, it all depends on how strong a country is. Can Iraqi civilians sue the American government for the thousands of civilians that were killed by US forces during and after the Iraq invasion, or for the human rights abuses in places like Abu Ghraib?

Probably not. 9/11 was a terrible tragedy, but so was the Iraq invasion and the multiple other American operations that have killed civilians all over the world.

 

[Ocelot]

How about the Lockerbie incident, didn't families successfully sue the Libyan government for that one?

It's a slippery slope though, and as with almost everything in international relations, it all depends on how strong a country is. Can Iraqi civilians sue the American government for the thousands of civilians that were killed by US forces during and after the Iraq invasion, or for the human rights abuses in places like Abu Ghraib?

Probably not. 9/11 was a terrible tragedy, but so was the Iraq invasion and the multiple other American operations that have killed civilians all over the world.

Yeah, that bill would be extremely hypocritical tbh

Though the reasoning behind the veto is probably mostly geopolitics.

 

[Seven]

How about the Lockerbie incident, didn't families successfully sue the Libyan government for that one?

It's a slippery slope though, and as with almost everything in international relations, it all depends on how strong a country is. Can Iraqi civilians sue the American government for the thousands of civilians that were killed by US forces during and after the Iraq invasion, or for the human rights abuses in places like Abu Ghraib?

Probably not. 9/11 was a terrible tragedy, but so was the Iraq invasion and the multiple other American operations that have killed civilians all over the world.

States (or in some cases departments of states) have legal personality. This means you can sue them. You need to do on a legal basis and you need to show a direct interest (in most countries).

Most of the time the question is on what basis you might sue and whether or not private individuals have the legal standing to do so.

In all honesty it really depends on the country you're in if a lawsuit is possible. But in the case of a verdict the question becomes how you're going to execute it. Let's say you've succesfully sued the USA for 10 million dollars. What happens if they don't acknowledge the verdict?

 

[Nzoric]

Yeah, that bill would be extremely hypocritical tbh

Though the reasoning behind the veto is probably mostly geopolitics.

Ties with Saudi are too important to let something like this play a part. Furthermore, if the bill is passed the hypothetical lawsuit would drag out for decades and millions of dollars in expenses, eventually just fading away. Dead end imo

 

[Maddy]

I'm gonna sue 'Murica for making me fat.

 

[Seven]

I'm gonna sue 'Murica for making me fat.

Lol. I knew you were a fatty.

 

[Maddy]

Lol. I knew you were a fatty.

I'm fat, ugly, smelly, a virgin and I got a small dick.

My only comfort for not me killing myself?

I'm not you.

 

[Nzoric]

Maddy, dont be a badass.

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[Seven]

I'm fat, ugly, smelly, a virgin and I got a small dick.

My only comfort for not me killing myself?

I'm not you.

But then, aren't you?