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And I noted ruling class in general. Ahmadinejad is part of a system that has been responsible for many deaths, including 6000+ political prisoners who were executed in the span of 3 months in 1988.
I don't know of anybody killed by Trump, and I'd stick by that innocent until proven guilty thing. I'm not really into conspiracy theories and vague suspicions. If I were I would note that Ahmadinejad is rumored to be the hit man who killed Kazem Sami, the first secretary of public health in Islamic Republic era.
And I noted ruling class in general. Ahmadinejad is part of a system that has been responsible for many deaths, including 6000+ political prisoners who were executed in the span of 3 months in 1988.
I don't know of anybody killed by Trump, and I'd stick by that innocent until proven guilty thing. I'm not really into conspiracy theories and vague suspicions. If I were I would note that Ahmadinejad is rumored to be the hit man who killed Kazem Sami, the first secretary of public health in Islamic Republic era.
I think you missed the point. It would be one thing if the arrogance was warranted -- in this case, the Democrats would be able to solve problems to benefit the entire country. But they can't. And then they revel in their supposed intellect (which is actually laced with ignorance) when praising a Hillary Presidency when in fact it's prolonging the status quo. Endless foreign excursions, continuous support of the Fed, and Wall Street cronyism is what this translates to. A vote for Hillary is a vote for fucking the poor, blacks, and basically everybody but the political and banker classes.
I care more about fixing issues than our image abroad. Just like in the US, people overseas are misguided for thinking Obama is some sort of walking peace prize. People are easily fooled both home and abroad. Trump has been relatively outspoken regarding the Iraq disaster, so evidence suggests he wouldn't bomb random countries or opt for more invasions. Whether he's being truthful about that or not is one thing, but already calling him the next Hitler is very odd. Obama is much closer to the next Hitler than Trump since he's actually led to the deaths of thousands of Americans, Libyans, Syrians, et cetera.
Now, one thing that is alarming about Trump is how he's seemingly in favor of a police state. But so is everybody else, including Hillary.
Funny, coming from you.
That sounds more like an opinion than something you can prove. To me, the rise of Trump has more to do with how the majority of the country is completely fed up with the establishment -- as they should be. It has little to do with racism.
I say this speaking from experience, which involves my own views with those of people I know.
Where's the evidence? Do you even know the positions Hillary has held? I doubt it. Just so you know, she was in the Bush camp for the Iraq war, and voted for it.
Once and for all, please exit stage left and focus on your own country!
I care more about fixing issues than our image abroad. Just like in the US, people overseas are misguided for thinking Obama is some sort of walking peace prize. People are easily fooled both home and abroad. Trump has been relatively outspoken regarding the Iraq disaster, so evidence suggests he wouldn't bomb random countries or opt for more invasions. Whether he's being truthful about that or not is one thing, but already calling him the next Hitler is very odd. Obama is much closer to the next Hitler than Trump since he's actually led to the deaths of thousands of Americans, Libyans, Syrians, et cetera.
Now, one thing that is alarming about Trump is how he's seemingly in favor of a police state. But so is everybody else, including Hillary.
Funny, coming from you.
That sounds more like an opinion than something you can prove. To me, the rise of Trump has more to do with how the majority of the country is completely fed up with the establishment -- as they should be. It has little to do with racism.
I say this speaking from experience, which involves my own views with those of people I know.
Where's the evidence? Do you even know the positions Hillary has held? I doubt it. Just so you know, she was in the Bush camp for the Iraq war, and voted for it.
Once and for all, please exit stage left and focus on your own country!
Oh no. You seem to read that as me thinking those people are consciously making that choice. They're not. It is just deeprooted fears and bigotry getting the best of them. Hitler was elected because of some of those same factors. And like Trump he was also a vote against a lot of things. And some also genuinely believed he made a difference, mostly on an economic level. But voting Trump is not something you can explain rationally.
I think you missed the point. It would be one thing if the arrogance was warranted -- in this case, the Democrats would be able to solve problems to benefit the entire country. But they can't. And then they revel in their supposed intellect (which is actually laced with ignorance) when praising a Hillary Presidency when in fact it's prolonging the status quo. Endless foreign excursions, continuous support of the Fed, and Wall Street cronyism is what this translates to. A vote for Hillary is a vote for fucking the poor, blacks, and basically everybody but the political and banker classes.
I care more about fixing issues than our image abroad. Just like in the US, people overseas are misguided for thinking Obama is some sort of walking peace prize. People are easily fooled both home and abroad. Trump has been relatively outspoken regarding the Iraq disaster, so evidence suggests he wouldn't bomb random countries or opt for more invasions. Whether he's being truthful about that or not is one thing, but already calling him the next Hitler is very odd. Obama is much closer to the next Hitler than Trump since he's actually led to the deaths of thousands of Americans, Libyans, Syrians, et cetera.
Now, one thing that is alarming about Trump is how he's seemingly in favor of a police state. But so is everybody else, including Hillary.
Funny, coming from you.
That sounds more like an opinion than something you can prove. To me, the rise of Trump has more to do with how the majority of the country is completely fed up with the establishment -- as they should be. It has little to do with racism.
I say this speaking from experience, which involves my own views with those of people I know.
Where's the evidence? Do you even know the positions Hillary has held? I doubt it. Just so you know, she was in the Bush camp for the Iraq war, and voted for it.
Once and for all, please exit stage left and focus on your own country!
I care more about fixing issues than our image abroad. Just like in the US, people overseas are misguided for thinking Obama is some sort of walking peace prize. People are easily fooled both home and abroad. Trump has been relatively outspoken regarding the Iraq disaster, so evidence suggests he wouldn't bomb random countries or opt for more invasions. Whether he's being truthful about that or not is one thing, but already calling him the next Hitler is very odd. Obama is much closer to the next Hitler than Trump since he's actually led to the deaths of thousands of Americans, Libyans, Syrians, et cetera.
Now, one thing that is alarming about Trump is how he's seemingly in favor of a police state. But so is everybody else, including Hillary.
Funny, coming from you.
That sounds more like an opinion than something you can prove. To me, the rise of Trump has more to do with how the majority of the country is completely fed up with the establishment -- as they should be. It has little to do with racism.
I say this speaking from experience, which involves my own views with those of people I know.
Where's the evidence? Do you even know the positions Hillary has held? I doubt it. Just so you know, she was in the Bush camp for the Iraq war, and voted for it.
Once and for all, please exit stage left and focus on your own country!
Well maybe I did misunderstand you in thinking that you were saying that people shouldn't vote Democrat because of their annoying support - which would be stuipd, as I explained in the post before. If you're just complaining about some airheads thinking the Democratic party is perfect and the end to all problems, that's perfectly fine. And I agree with your last sentence actually, the important thing I would add is of course that the consequences of voting Republican would mean the same, only in a magnitude a lot worse 
Well that's the thing, his position on foreign policy is somewhat weird and contridictory (as are a lot of his stances in general). On the one hand, he's condemned the Iraq war in a way many democrats have never dared to do - but on the other hand he's repeatedly said that he wants to "invade ISIS and take their oil away", which spells a lot of trouble for the future too, and most certainly includes a lot of killed people.
True. But there's a difference between wanting to continue the NSA program and the Patriot Act, and wanting to introduce libel laws that would essentially put an end to a free press.
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Only that Trump has much less personal integrity that Sanders on the matter.
I understand that people probably vote for him because they feel that he'll make away with corruption, but it's simply not a very good argument imo, considering the whole package they're voting for.
Well that's the thing, his position on foreign policy is somewhat weird and contridictory (as are a lot of his stances in general). On the one hand, he's condemned the Iraq war in a way many democrats have never dared to do - but on the other hand he's repeatedly said that he wants to "invade ISIS and take their oil away", which spells a lot of trouble for the future too, and most certainly includes a lot of killed people.
True. But there's a difference between wanting to continue the NSA program and the Patriot Act, and wanting to introduce libel laws that would essentially put an end to a free press.
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Only that Trump has much less personal integrity that Sanders on the matter.
I understand that people probably vote for him because they feel that he'll make away with corruption, but it's simply not a very good argument imo, considering the whole package they're voting for.
Agree. These two were probably posted before, but it's a pretty good read:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-america-made-donald-trump-unstoppable-20160224?page=8
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-textbook-example-of-an-ideological-moderate/
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-america-made-donald-trump-unstoppable-20160224?page=8
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-textbook-example-of-an-ideological-moderate/
Well maybe I did misunderstand you in thinking that you were saying that people shouldn't vote Democrat because of their annoying support - which would be stuipd, as I explained in the post before. If you're just complaining about some airheads thinking the Democratic party is perfect and the end to all problems, that's perfectly fine. And I agree with your last sentence actually, the important thing I would add is of course that the consequences of voting Republican would mean the same, only in a magnitude a lot worse
Well that's the thing, his position on foreign policy is somewhat weird and contridictory (as are a lot of his stances in general). On the one hand, he's condemned the Iraq war in a way many democrats have never dared to do - but on the other hand he's repeatedly said that he wants to "invade ISIS and take their oil away", which spells a lot of trouble for the future too, and most certainly includes a lot of killed people.
True. But there's a difference between wanting to continue the NSA program and the Patriot Act, and wanting to introduce libel laws that would essentially put an end to a free press.
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Only that Trump has much less personal integrity that Sanders on the matter.
I understand that people probably vote for him because they feel that he'll make away with corruption, but it's simply not a very good argument imo, considering the whole package they're voting for.
Well that's the thing, his position on foreign policy is somewhat weird and contridictory (as are a lot of his stances in general). On the one hand, he's condemned the Iraq war in a way many democrats have never dared to do - but on the other hand he's repeatedly said that he wants to "invade ISIS and take their oil away", which spells a lot of trouble for the future too, and most certainly includes a lot of killed people.
True. But there's a difference between wanting to continue the NSA program and the Patriot Act, and wanting to introduce libel laws that would essentially put an end to a free press.
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Only that Trump has much less personal integrity that Sanders on the matter.
I understand that people probably vote for him because they feel that he'll make away with corruption, but it's simply not a very good argument imo, considering the whole package they're voting for.
Trump is against the Iraq war (easy thing to say now) while all of his other comments about foreign affairs completely ignorant (has no clue about key figures names, alliances, motivations in interviews) and reactionary type of stupid zero plan comments like bomb them and take away their oil. He even goes step further and advocates for war crime, by saying we should target and kill the families of ISIS soldiers. Said with a straight fucking face.
Why is the wall racist? The Israelis have huge walls everywhere and they never get called racist. I'm not a fan of the wall, but equating cracking down on illegal immigration with racism is not sound. I'm not a racist, but I want legal immigration. There's no point in having a country if you can't respect its borders.
Mostly. Although, I think if the Fed is audited, perhaps that would be the start of uncovering the major disconnects they create in the economy, leading to the growing income gap. There has been some talk of Trump being in favor of the Fed audit. If so, that automatically makes him better than Hillary.
I understand that, and certainly disagree with him there. But there's no evidence to suggest he'd be as poor as Bush.
It's also healthy how Trump started to question the Saudi connection in 9/11.
How do you measure integrity on this?
Trump is a product of the disastrous last 20 years in this country. Most sensible voters are sick of the Obamas, Bushs, and Clintons, and rightfully so. Same with Sanders, basically. That's overall healthy.
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But how is that worse than Hitler, or even Bush? That's hyperbole. I understand why that isn't a good idea, but I'm finding that a lot of the Trump criticisms are vastly exaggerated. Hillary has been involved in the same type of CFR and other rent seeking factions for military and oil contracts across the middle east and Iraq. Trump hasn't been involved in anything like that as far as I know.
Well maybe I did misunderstand you in thinking that you were saying that people shouldn't vote Democrat because of their annoying support - which would be stuipd, as I explained in the post before. If you're just complaining about some airheads thinking the Democratic party is perfect and the end to all problems, that's perfectly fine. And I agree with your last sentence actually, the important thing I would add is of course that the consequences of voting Republican would mean the same, only in a magnitude a lot worse
I understand that, and certainly disagree with him there. But there's no evidence to suggest he'd be as poor as Bush.
It's also healthy how Trump started to question the Saudi connection in 9/11.
How do you measure integrity on this?
Trump is a product of the disastrous last 20 years in this country. Most sensible voters are sick of the Obamas, Bushs, and Clintons, and rightfully so. Same with Sanders, basically. That's overall healthy.
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But how is that worse than Hitler, or even Bush? That's hyperbole. I understand why that isn't a good idea, but I'm finding that a lot of the Trump criticisms are vastly exaggerated. Hillary has been involved in the same type of CFR and other rent seeking factions for military and oil contracts across the middle east and Iraq. Trump hasn't been involved in anything like that as far as I know.