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Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,498
Is your standards that low? The wall is ok/not racist because Israeli's apartheid and insanely discriminatory human rights abusers does it, Trump calling for the murder of families is ok because its not worse then Hitler or Bush? Is there anything about him that can remotely make you take a step back and ponder instead of make excuses for it? How is the criticism exagerrated when its pointing out something he speficially said, and proudly too. I mean even the spin doctor medias that hype him where completely stumped when he said shit like that.


And to compare Sanders and Trump like they are similar is priceless, come from the similar non-established appeal to people, but for INSANELY different reasons, the similarity ends there. And thats painstackingly obvious due to what comes out of their mouths...
 

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Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
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Sanders has more integrity on the matter mostly because he's been against it for decades, while Trump has actively partaken in exactly this process, sponsoring politicians campaigns and such.
 

Ronn

Senior Member
May 3, 2012
20,886
We hate millionaires buying elections, so let's just elect one of the ones who did exactly the same as into the highest office. Problem solved!
It's funny Trump says his donations were for business reasons, as if the other lobbyists do it to make their moms happy
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Who did ahmadinejad kill? And how do you know Trump didnt?
I've heard that in Russia, smoking has killed more than Obama.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/17/moscow-anti-smoking-campaign-uses-obamas-image

Oh no. You seem to read that as me thinking those people are consciously making that choice. They're not. It is just deeprooted fears and bigotry getting the best of them. Hitler was elected because of some of those same factors. And like Trump he was also a vote against a lot of things. And some also genuinely believed he made a difference, mostly on an economic level. But voting Trump is not something you can explain rationally.
I think you missed the part where I pointed out that a state of 5.5 million people decided that this man was qualified to run its highest level of office based on a 4-year stint as mayor of a 75,000-person township:



(this photograph taken right before that stint)

Donald Trump can't even claim that much political legitimacy.

Why is the wall racist? The Israelis have huge walls everywhere and they never get called racist. I'm not a fan of the wall, but equating cracking down on illegal immigration with racism is not sound. I'm not a racist, but I want legal immigration. There's no point in having a country if you can't respect its borders.
Inanimate objects by definition cannot be racist any more than my neighbor's fence is racist. It's all about how they are policed.
 

Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
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Cruz beating Trump in Kansas with 50% so far, Trump has been leading comfortably in polls before today.

Bad news if true and representative of a nation-wide trend. I'd rather see a president Trump than a president Cruz, and Cruz has much higher chances in the GE as well.
 
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Fake Melo

Fake Melo

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    I hate Hillary and her warmongering principles and honestly, I may actually prefer Trump to her (if the choice comes down to the two) cause I think Hillary is more dangerous for a peaceful middleast (which, to me personally, is the most important thing), but as a nation (let alone the so called greatest nation in the world) the United States should be embarrassed to have given this much room and popularity to an individual such as Trump. The fact that he has this big of a fanbase should worry everybody but first and foremost the people of America. I mean even having Ahmadinejad was not nearly as embarrassing as having Trump as president would be. We don't have a democracy at Iran. Still, what won Ahmadinejad the first elections was that he was not rich himself and sold himself as a simple person who is very similar to the working class. Also, he was bullied a lot because of his looks and appearances by the media and other candidates and that's what can easily make my people take your side. It's stupid but at least humane. Trump wins over people because he is rich and he brags about it and because he bullies people for their looks, class, race, gender, etc etc. Is that what gets you votes in the US? Embarrassing.

    @Bjerknes and I said it from the beginning. This election is of lesser evils. Everyone are terrible, but at least Trump doesn't pretend to be a good guy.
     

    AFL_ITALIA

    MAGISTERIAL
    Jun 17, 2011
    31,787
    Cruz beating Trump in Kansas with 50% so far, Trump has been leading comfortably in polls before today.

    Bad news if true and representative of a nation-wide trend. I'd rather see a president Trump than a president Cruz, and Cruz has much higher chances in the GE as well.
    Trump as President, I can see that. Cruz, I really can't for some reason. I know he would be projected to beat Clinton right now, but I can't picture it actually happening.

    Sanders would destroy him though :lol:
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_cruz_vs_sanders-5742.html
     

    Seven

    In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
    Jun 25, 2003
    39,330
    Why is the wall racist? The Israelis have huge walls everywhere and they never get called racist. I'm not a fan of the wall, but equating cracking down on illegal immigration with racism is not sound. I'm not a racist, but I want legal immigration. There's no point in having a country if you can't respect its borders.



    Mostly. Although, I think if the Fed is audited, perhaps that would be the start of uncovering the major disconnects they create in the economy, leading to the growing income gap. There has been some talk of Trump being in favor of the Fed audit. If so, that automatically makes him better than Hillary.





    I understand that, and certainly disagree with him there. But there's no evidence to suggest he'd be as poor as Bush.

    It's also healthy how Trump started to question the Saudi connection in 9/11.





    How do you measure integrity on this?

    Trump is a product of the disastrous last 20 years in this country. Most sensible voters are sick of the Obamas, Bushs, and Clintons, and rightfully so. Same with Sanders, basically. That's overall healthy.

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    But how is that worse than Hitler, or even Bush? That's hyperbole. I understand why that isn't a good idea, but I'm finding that a lot of the Trump criticisms are vastly exaggerated. Hillary has been involved in the same type of CFR and other rent seeking factions for military and oil contracts across the middle east and Iraq. Trump hasn't been involved in anything like that as far as I know.
    Lol. You really have to ask why a wall is offensive?
     

    Osman

    Koul Khara!
    Aug 30, 2002
    61,498
    Very potent quote below, you know your country is up shit creek when the comedians starts to make whole lotta sense (except for the Hitler comparisons)...


    Louis CK:

    P.S. Please stop it with voting for Trump. It was funny for a little while. But the guy is Hitler. And by that I mean that we are being Germany in the 30s. Do you think they saw the shit coming? Hitler was just some hilarious and refreshing dude with a weird comb over who would say anything at all.

    And I’m not advocating for Hillary or Bernie. I like them both but frankly I wish the next president was a conservative only because we had Obama for eight years and we need balance. And not because I particularly enjoy the conservative agenda. I just think the government should reflect the people. And we are about 40 percent conservative and 40 percent liberal. When I was growing up and when I was a younger man, liberals and conservatives were friends with differences. They weren’t enemies. And it always made sense that everyone gets a president they like for a while and then hates the president for a while. But it only works if the conservatives put up a good candidate. A good smart conservative to face the liberal candidate so they can have a good argument and the country can decide which way to go this time.

    Trump is not that. He’s an insane bigot. He is dangerous.

    He already said he would expand libel laws to sue anyone who “writes a negative hit piece” about him. He says “I would open up the libel laws so we can sue them and win lots of money. Not like now. These guys are totally protected.” He said that. He has promised to decimate the first amendment. (If you think he’s going to keep the second amendment intact you’re delusional.) And he said that Paul Ryan, speaker of the house will “pay” for criticizing him. So I’m saying this now because if he gets in there we won’t be able to criticize him anymore.
    Please pick someone else. Like John Kasich. I mean that guy seems okay. I don’t like any of them myself but if you’re that kind of voter please go for a guy like that. It feels like between him and either democrat we’d have a decent choice. It feels like a healthier choice. We shouldn’t have to vote for someone because they’re not a shocking cunt billionaire liar.

    We should choose based on what direction the country should go.

    I get that all these people sound like bullshit soft criminal opportunists. The whole game feels rigged and it’s not going anywhere but down anymore. I feel that way sometimes.


    And that voting for Trump is a way of saying “fuck it. Fuck them all”. I really get it. It’s a version of national Suicide. Or it’s like a big hit off of a crack pipe. Somehow we can’t help it. Or we know that if we vote for Trump our phones will be a reliable source of dopamine for the next four years. I mean I can’t wait to read about Trump every day. It’s a rush. But you have to know this is not healthy.

    If you are a true conservative. Don’t vote for Trump. He is not one of you. He is one of him. Everything you have heard him say that you liked, if you look hard enough you will see that he one day said the exact opposite. He is playing you.

    In fact, if you do vote for Trump, at least look at him very carefully first. You owe that to the rest of us. Know and understand who he is. Spend one hour on google and just read it all. I don’t mean listen to me or listen to liberals who put him down. Listen to your own people. Listen to John Mccain. Go look at what he just said about Trump. “At a time when our world has never been more complex or more in danger… I want Republican voters to pay close attention to what our party’s most respected and knowledgeable leaders and national security experts are saying about Mr. Trump, and to think long and hard about who they want to be our next Commander-in-Chief and leader of the free world.”

    When Trump was told what he said, Trump said “Oh, he did? Well, that’s not nice,” he told CBS News’ chief White House correspondent Major Garrett. “He has to be very careful.”
    When pressed on why, Trump tacked on: “He’ll find out.”

    (I cut and pasted that from CBS news)

    Do you really want a guy to be president who threatens John McCain? Because John McCain cautiously and intelligently asked for people to be thoughtful before voting for him? He didn’t even insult Trump. He just asked you to take a good look. And Trump told him to look out.

    Remember that Trump entered this race by saying that McCain is not a war hero. A guy who was shot down, body broken and kept in a POW camp for years. Trump said “I prefer the guys who don’t get caught.” Why did he say that? Not because he meant it or because it was important to say. He said it because he’s a bully and every bully knows that when you enter a new school yard, you go to the toughest most respected guy on the yard and you punch him in the nose. If you are still standing after, you’re the new boss. If Trump is president, he’s not going to change. He’s not going to do anything for you. He’s going to do everything for himself and leave you in the dust.

    So please listen to fellow conservatives. But more importantly, listen to Trump. Listen to all of it. Everything he says. If you liked when he said that “torture works” then go look at where he took it back the next day. He’s a fucking liar.

    A vote for Trump is so clearly a gut-vote, and again I get it. But add a little brain to it and look the guy up. Because if you vote for him because of how you feel right now, the minute he’s president, you’re going to regret it. You’re going to regret it even more when he gives the job to his son. Because American democracy is broken enough that a guy like that could really fuck things up. That’s how Hitler got there. He was voted into power by a fatigued nation and when he got inside, he did all his Hitler things and no one could stop him.


    Again, I’m not saying vote democrat or vote for anyone else. If Hilary ends up president it should be because she faced the best person you have and you and I both chose her or him or whoever. Trump is not your best. He’s the worst of all of us. He’s a symptom to a problem that is very real. But don’t vote for your own cancer. You’re better than that.

    That’s just my view. At least right now. I know I’m not qualified or particularly educated and I’m not right instead of you. I’m an idiot and I’m sure a bunch of you are very annoyed by this. Fucking celebrity with an opinion. I swear this isn’t really a political opinion. You don’t want to know my political opinions. (And I know that I’m only bringing myself trouble with this shit.) Trump has nothing to do with politics or ideology. He has to do with himself. And really I don’t mean to insult anyone. Except Trump. I mean to insult him very much. And really I’m not saying he’s evil or a monster. In fact I don’t think Hitler was. The problem with saying that guys like that are monsters is that we don’t see them coming when they turn out to be human, which they all are. Everyone is. Trump is a messed up guy with a hole in his heart that he tries to fill with money and attention. He can never ever have enough of either and he’ll never stop trying. He’s sick. Which makes him really really interesting. And he pulls you towards him which somehow feels good or fascinatingly bad. He’s not a monster. He’s a sad man. But all this makes him horribly dangerous if he becomes president. Give him another TV show. Let him pay to put his name on buildings. But please stop voting for him. And please watch Horace and Pete.
     

    Ocelot

    Midnight Marauder
    Jul 13, 2013
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    The Trump - Hitler comparisons are a little bit ludicrous though tbh. Don't think anyone thought that "Hitler was just some hilarious and refreshing dude with a weird comb over who would say anything at all"
     

    Osman

    Koul Khara!
    Aug 30, 2002
    61,498
    Yeah I know, thats the stupid comedian in him saying that. But rest of mainly well made points. Not in depth stuff, since he is litterally not talking about political opinions, but just to take closer look at how you use your vote, have some standards and dont just react.
     

    Seven

    In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
    Jun 25, 2003
    39,330
    The Trump - Hitler comparisons are a little bit ludicrous though tbh. Don't think anyone thought that "Hitler was just some hilarious and refreshing dude with a weird comb over who would say anything at all"
    Uhm, I think you should look at pictures of Hitler again, mate.

    The comparisons are not overblown. Letting a politician get away with blatant racism opens a country up to all sorts of shit. Trump is lunacy. Nothing more, nothing less. Anything might happen with him. Why the fuck take the risk? Given the circumstancea he can be just as bad as Dolf, no doubt about that whatsoever.
     

    ALC

    Ohaulick
    Oct 28, 2010
    46,528
    Uhm, I think you should look at pictures of Hitler again, mate.

    The comparisons are not overblown. Letting a politician get away with blatant racism opens a country up to all sorts of shit. Trump is lunacy. Nothing more, nothing less. Anything might happen with him. Why the fuck take the risk? Given the circumstancea he can be just as bad as Dolf, no doubt about that whatsoever.
    The US President doesn't have that much power. There's no way the House and Congress would go with him on that/
     

    Hængebøffer

    Senior Member
    Jun 4, 2009
    25,185
    Uhm, I think you should look at pictures of Hitler again, mate.

    The comparisons are not overblown. Letting a politician get away with blatant racism opens a country up to all sorts of shit. Trump is lunacy. Nothing more, nothing less. Anything might happen with him. Why the fuck take the risk? Given the circumstancea he can be just as bad as Dolf, no doubt about that whatsoever.
    Or maybe it's a basic lack of historical knowledge. Hitler had a set of principle all prepared. Trump is just spewing shit.

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    Uhm, I think you should look at pictures of Hitler again, mate.

    The comparisons are not overblown. Letting a politician get away with blatant racism opens a country up to all sorts of shit. Trump is lunacy. Nothing more, nothing less. Anything might happen with him. Why the fuck take the risk? Given the circumstancea he can be just as bad as Dolf, no doubt about that whatsoever.
    Or maybe it's a basic lack of historical knowledge. Hitler had a set of principles all prepared. Trump is just spewing shit.

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    Uhm, I think you should look at pictures of Hitler again, mate.

    The comparisons are not overblown. Letting a politician get away with blatant racism opens a country up to all sorts of shit. Trump is lunacy. Nothing more, nothing less. Anything might happen with him. Why the fuck take the risk? Given the circumstancea he can be just as bad as Dolf, no doubt about that whatsoever.
    Or maybe it's a basic lack of historical knowledge. Hitler had a set of principles all prepared. Trump is just spewing shit.
     

    Ocelot

    Midnight Marauder
    Jul 13, 2013
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    Uhm, I think you should look at pictures of Hitler again, mate.

    The comparisons are not overblown. Letting a politician get away with blatant racism opens a country up to all sorts of shit. Trump is lunacy. Nothing more, nothing less. Anything might happen with him. Why the fuck take the risk? Given the circumstancea he can be just as bad as Dolf, no doubt about that whatsoever.
    I don't wanna list all differences, so I guess I'll just state the obvious: Trump is very un-ideological, while Hitler was a complete fanatic.

    Not that voting Trump into office wouldn't be a really really bad idea, mostly because, as you said, he is so completely unpredictable.

    And no, I don't think that Trump could ever start a war that would lead to 40 million dead people, destroy an entire continent, and introduce a factory-like system of mass murder.

    Bottom line is, he doesn't have to be as bad as arguably the worst state leader in history to be a very bad choice for president. And to make him out as that is simply a hyperbole.
     

    Ronn

    Senior Member
    May 3, 2012
    20,886
    It doesn't help that he himself sometimes makes it look like Nazi era. Here he'as asking people to raise their right hand and pledge their vote. This is how they did it:
     

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