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Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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Of course underestimating and doing less than required is far more disastrous. Given the number of doctors and nurses who succumbed to this in Italy and that their hard hit paces, allowing it to run rampant would have been a disaster imo and in a lot of epidemiologists opinion too. I choose to listen to their advice on the field they are experts in. You are welcome to ignore it.

And conversely to another point, there is really no proof that hospitals wouldn’t have been swamped and icu’s overrun if we did nothing in response to Covid, which would lead to exponentially worse consequences, with soaring death tolls, including amongst irreplaceable health care workers, than a slight overreaction.

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Too true. I’m never quite sure with him. Lol
Are hospitals overrun now, when almost every country in the world is open? Not enough population got infected (even Sweden is hardly double digit) due to quarantine, therefore heard immunity isnt slowing the virus down. The fact that countries right now arent locking up is further proving governments overeacted and succumbed to overall panic. They should be held accountable for the mess they created and its aftermath.

If by slight overreaction you mean estimated 100m deaths, then it is futile discussion. There are wide array of measures which could have been enacted. The options arent between "do nothing" or "lock everyone up".
 

IliveForJuve

Burn this club
Jan 17, 2011
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Are hospitals overrun now, when almost every country in the world is open? Not enough population got infected (even Sweden is hardly double digit) due to quarantine, therefore heard immunity isnt slowing the virus down. The fact that countries right now arent locking up is further proving governments overeacted and succumbed to overall panic. They should be held accountable for the mess they created and its aftermath.

If by slight overreaction you mean estimated 100m deaths, then it is futile discussion. There are wide array of measures which could have been enacted. The options arent between "do nothing" or "lock everyone up".
Tell that to the countries whose healthcare systems weren't robust enough to handle covid.

It's easy to forget the images of italian (and many other countries) hospitals overcrowded with sick people dying in hallways.

Countries are better prepared now. That's true. That's why I think we won't be seeing strict lockdowns again. The economy can't take it either.

In the end it was all about buying time to adjust to this new reality.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,057
Tell that to the countries whose healthcare systems weren't robust enough to handle covid.

It's easy to forget the images of italian (and many other countries) hospitals overcrowded with sick people dying in hallways.

Countries are better prepared now. That's true. That's why I think we won't be seeing strict lockdowns again. The economy can't take it either.

In the end it was all about buying time to adjust to this new reality.
Majority of these sick people came from nursery homes or were treated already with different conditions in hospitals. So maybe Italians needed to react sooner, test personell, nurses, doctors, mandatory masks in these institutions, etc...
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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Majority of these sick people came from nursery homes or were treated already with different conditions in hospitals. So maybe Italians needed to react sooner, test personell, nurses, doctors, mandatory masks in these institutions, etc...
lol. Hospitals were overwhelmed and health care workers died in significant numbers in Italy, Spain, America, and other places. And average age of death in US is vastly lower than in Italy and other healthier nations, and majority are not in nursing homes. And no because someone has pre-existing conditions does not mean we should just say fuck you, we don’t care if you die.

Just because you have some weird agenda to minimize this, doesn’t mean you should make things up.

And the countries that shut things down, got it under control and are still having their citizens be responsible and practice some social distancing, mask-wearing, etc, do proper testing and contact tracing have kept this thing at a manageable level.

But no one knew how to deal with this at first, and the worry was that it was significantly higher death rate than it currently has shown to have, so I’m perfectly fine with countries that got hit hard early on overreacting. That’s the sensible decision until you understand the nature of COVID and how to both limit spread and treat it.

I’ve worked right through this, and a ton of industries have here, because the government of BC shutdown non-essential business initially and created good protocols and measures for reopening. I’m very happy with the initial shutdown and how my province dealt with it throughout the past few months. They have done a great job thus far.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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RELEASE BARABBAS!

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CNN having a meltdown on Trump being released, calling him a "super spreader autocrat." :lol:

Trump 1, Covidcrats zerooooooooooooooooooo!
 
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Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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"As soon as he takes off his mask, millions of particles of virus are now floating in the air, only the patient is in charge, medically, of the patient." - CNN :lol: @GordoDeCentral

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"We are living in a nightmare. Now we have Coronavirus in the White House." :lol:
 

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