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Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,172
Might not be that bad under Kamala. She's a wolf in sheeps clothing and can fuck over her base of 'tards for years just like she did with the black community. One of the biggest limousine liberals and boss hogs in politics.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Embarrassing posts. Hope you’re trolling.

Underlying conditions don’t mean you’d die anyways, COVID is still what kills these people. Otherwise excess deaths wouldn’t have skyrocketed far beyond even the number of confirmed Covid deaths.

I guess according to that logic if you have underlying conditions it’s okay if you die. Ya know, some people on Tuz are in that boat. I’m sure some people in your extended family are too. You gonna say it’s just a hoax and say they deserved it because of “underlying conditions”?
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,818
Just curious, if Trump were to be unable to stand for election, does Pence get the automatic nomination?
What happens to the U.S. presidential election if a candidate dies or becomes incapacitated?

U.S. President Donald Trump said on Friday that he had tested positive for COVID-19 and was going into isolation.

Trump has mild symptoms, according to White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows. But the diagnosis, less than five weeks before the Nov. 3 election, has raised questions about what happens if a presidential candidate or the president-elect dies or becomes incapacitated.

Here’s how U.S. law and party rules address those scenarios.

- Can the Nov. 3 election be postponed?

Yes, but that is very unlikely to happen. The U.S. Constitution gives Congress the power to determine the election date. Under U.S. law, the election takes place on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November, every four years.

The Democratic-controlled House of Representatives would almost certainly object to delaying the election, even if the Republican-controlled Senate voted to do so. The presidential election has never been postponed.


- What happens if a candidate dies ahead of the election?

Both the Democratic National Committee and the Republican National Committee have rules that call for their members to vote on a replacement nominee. However, it is likely too late to replace a candidate in time for the election.

Early voting is underway, with more than 2.2 million votes cast, according to the U.S. Elections Project at the University of Florida. The deadline to change ballots in many states has also passed; mail ballots, which are expected to be widely used due to the coronavirus pandemic, have been sent to voters in two dozen states.

Unless Congress delays the election, voters would still choose between the Republican Trump and Democrat Joe Biden even if one died before Nov. 3. If the winner is deceased, however, a new set of questions emerges.


- What happens if a candidate dies before the Electoral College votes?

Under the Electoral College system, the winner of the election is determined by securing a majority of “electoral votes” allotted to the 50 states and the District of Columbia in proportion to their population.

The Electoral College’s electors will meet on Dec. 14 to vote for president. The winner must receive at least 270 of the 538 total Electoral College votes.

Each state’s electoral votes typically go to the winner of the state’s popular vote. Some states allow electors to vote for anyone they choose, but more than half of the states bind electors to cast their votes for the winner.

Most state laws that bind electors do not contemplate what to do if a candidate dies. Michigan’s law requires electors to vote for the winning candidates who appeared on the ballot. Indiana law, by contrast, states that electors should switch to a party’s replacement if the candidate has died.

In the event of a candidate’s death, the opposing party might challenge in court whether bound electors should be allowed to vote for a replacement, said Lara Brown, the director of the Graduate School of Political Management at George Washington University.

“The most interesting question is really going to be, how will the Supreme Court handle a controversy like this?” she said.

But Justin Levitt, a professor at Loyola Law School, said he viewed it as unlikely that a party would try to defy the will of voters if it was clear a particular candidate won the election.


- What if a winner dies after the Electoral College has voted, but before Congress has certified the vote?

After the Electoral College votes, Congress must still convene on Jan. 6 to certify the results. If a presidential candidate won a majority of electoral votes and then died, it is not entirely clear how Congress would resolve the situation.

The Constitution’s 20th Amendment says the vice president-elect becomes president if the president-elect dies before Inauguration Day. But it’s an open legal question whether a candidate formally becomes the “president-elect” after winning the Electoral College vote, or only after Congress certifies the count.

If Congress rejected votes for a deceased candidate and therefore found no one had won a majority, it is up to the House of Representatives to pick the next president, choosing from among the top three electoral vote-getters.

Each state delegation gets one vote, which means that even though Democrats have a majority, Republicans currently hold the advantage in a contingent election, as they control 26 of 50 state delegations. All 435 House seats are up for election in November, so the makeup of the next Congress is still unknown.

No winning candidate has ever died after the election but before inauguration. The closest instance came in 1872, when Horace Greeley died on Nov. 29, weeks after losing the election to Ulysses Grant. The 66 electoral votes that Greeley earned ended up largely split among his running mate and other minor candidates.


- What happens if a president-elect dies or becomes incapacitated after Congress has certified the result?

Under the U.S. Constitution, a president-elect is sworn in on Jan. 20, Inauguration Day, two weeks after Congress certifies the result. If the president-elect died, the vice president-elect would be sworn in on Jan. 20.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...e-dies-or-becomes-incapacitated-idUSKBN26N347
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,172
Embarrassing posts. Hope you’re trolling.

Underlying conditions don’t mean you’d die anyways, COVID is still what kills these people. Otherwise excess deaths wouldn’t have skyrocketed far beyond even the number of confirmed Covid deaths.

I guess according to that logic if you have underlying conditions it’s okay if you die. Ya know, some people on Tuz are in that boat. I’m sure some people in your extended family are too. You gonna say it’s just a hoax and say they deserved it because of “underlying conditions”?
:lol:

Love how people get so triggered.

Chances are if you're relatively healthy, you're going to be fine. If you have underlying conditions and are older, then perhaps not. All stuff we already knew.

Seems like you're fear-mongering.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
:lol:

Love how people get so triggered.

Chances are if you're relatively healthy, you're going to be fine. If you have underlying conditions and are older, then perhaps not. All stuff we already knew.

Seems like you're fear-mongering.
Triggered? Says the guy who gets triggered and goes apoplectic over random SJW twitter posts :lol:

Fear-mongering? Lol

Says the guy who thought Obama was going to refuse to leave office and put dissenters in FEMA camps. What a doofus. :lol:
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,057
:lol:

Love how people get so triggered.

Chances are if you're relatively healthy, you're going to be fine. If you have underlying conditions and are older, then perhaps not. All stuff we already knew.

Seems like you're fear-mongering.
If you have underlying condition and are over 70 yo any virus might tip the scale in other direction. The IFR could be as low as 0.2%. It is brought further down with number of unreported cases of infection as people with mild symptoms or asymptomatic cases wont seek medical attention. Enough for global panic?
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
If you have underlying condition and are over 70 yo any virus might tip the scale in other direction. The IFR could be as low as 0.2%. It is brought further down with number of unreported cases of infection as people with mild symptoms or asymptomatic cases wont seek medical attention. Enough for global panic?
Considering in the hardest hit places like New York where 0.17% of the entire population has died, and antibodies testing shows only 10-20% of the population has gotten it, the disease is very likely to be in the 0.5-1.0% range for mortality, which is 5-20 times that of seasonal flu. New York’s earlier antibody testing reported approximately 0.75% mortality. Hardly something to laugh at. Extrapolated to the ~200 million Americans required to be infected for herd immunity That would be 1.5 million dead. Peanuts. I know. :baus:

As therapeutics and treatment advance, that will come down and hopefully a vaccine develops to deal with this long-term, but suggesting it’s a hoax? Kind of retarded. We knew next to nothing about it at first and feared 2-3% death rate which would have made for an insane Death toll, as we figure it out more reasonable measures, protocols, and precautions have been put in place.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,172
Triggered? Says the guy who gets triggered and goes apoplectic over random SJW twitter posts :lol:

Fear-mongering? Lol

Says the guy who thought Obama was going to refuse to leave office and put dissenters in FEMA camps. What a doofus. :lol:
You responded so quickly so I'm thinking triggered is a good word for it. ;) Of course the problem isn't a hoax.

But this brings up another concern that nobody wants to discuss, especially the media. We are a relatively obese and sick nation compared to Europe, with many diets consisting of manufactured processed foods and other crap. It's not a joke when folks make fun of the fat 'Muricans, as the stereotype is unfortunately true in many cases. Since I love being a home chef and using locally sourced produce and the like, I know how expensive quality food can be, as opposed to the shit people buy at MCD. I mean, I know people who eat fast food every single day for lunch, and they think that isn't a problem whatsoever. Then people wonder why we have an obesity problem and our death rate for Covid is higher than others.

Nobody in government or MSM want to address this issue. And the reason for it is because they're shills and rent-seekers. Monetary policy has created inflation in food prices, real wages haven't really increased over time, people can't afford good food so they have to eat GMO shit and other garbage, and politicians love Monsanto-esque kickbacks. I can't ever recall a question in a Presidential debate about American obesity, or even about food prices or Fed policies in general. And some of the same people think socialized healthcare (healthcare, which is typically reactionary and doesn't address real issues in diet) can solve this issue. At least some of corporate America are implementing programs to keep their workers healthy by creating incentives.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,057
Considering in the hardest hit places like New York where 0.17% of the entire population has died, and antibodies testing shows only 10-20% of the population has gotten it, the disease is very likely to be in the 0.5-1.0% range for mortality, which is 5-20 times that of seasonal flu. New York’s earlier antibody testing reported approximately 0.75% mortality. Hardly something to laugh at. Extrapolated to the ~200 million Americans required to be infected for herd immunity That would be 1.5 million dead. Peanuts. I know.
Who is laughing? The dispute is, whether it is enough to shut down businesses, schools, etc... which ensued with global panic. I think consequences of a hard lockdown that many countries (including mine) enacted, will be felt for the next several years, and saved lives will come at extremely high price. Hospitals for instance didnt admit anyone for several weeks, all capacity was reserved for Covid patients. A lot of people werent diagnosed during that time. Psychological consequences on our youngest population for instance, that couldnt socialize with their peers. I wonder how many cases of PTSD will occur as a result, loss of jobs, etc... We had to lay off several dozen people at my workplace just last week. Hard times atm.
 
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Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
You responded so quickly so I'm thinking triggered is a good word for it. ;) Of course the problem isn't a hoax.

But this brings up another concern that nobody wants to discuss, especially the media. We are a relatively obese and sick nation compared to Europe, with many diets consisting of manufactured processed foods and other crap. It's not a joke when folks make fun of the fat 'Muricans, as the stereotype is unfortunately true in many cases. Since I love being a home chef and using locally sourced produce and the like, I know how expensive quality food can be, as opposed to the shit people buy at MCD. I mean, I know people who eat fast food every single day for lunch, and they think that isn't a problem whatsoever. Then people wonder why we have an obesity problem and our death rate for Covid is higher than others.

Nobody in government or MSM want to address this issue. And the reason for it is because they're shills and rent-seekers. Monetary policy has created inflation in food prices, real wages haven't really increased over time, people can't afford good food so they have to eat GMO shit and other garbage, and politicians love Monsanto-esque kickbacks. I can't ever recall a question in a Presidential debate about American obesity, or even about food prices or Fed policies in general. And some of the same people think socialized healthcare (healthcare, which is typically reactionary and doesn't address real issues in diet) can solve this issue. At least some of corporate America are implementing programs to keep their workers healthy by creating incentives.
:tup:

I agree entirely with this. In fact, I believe I’ve posted links to a number of absurd fat acceptance/body positivity activism articles in the past. The acceptance and even promotion of obesity in western cultures is shameful and does a massive amount of harm on an individual and societal level, not to mention the huge burden it places on the health care system. And the activism surrounding banishing discussion of these problems is sickening.

I know you probably disagree, because you don’t like taxation and government interference, but I would love a junk/fat food tax to subsidize making healthy, high quality foods more affordable.
 

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