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Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
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Who is laughing? The dispute is, whether it is enough to shut down businesses, schools, etc... which ensued with global panic. I think consequences of a hard lockdown that many countries (including mine) enacted, will be felt for the next several years, and saved lives will come at extremely high price. Hospitals for instance didnt admit anyone for several weeks, all capacity was reserved for Covid patients. A lot of people werent diagnosed during that time. Psychological consequences on our youngest population for instance, that couldnt socialize with their peers. I wonder how many cases of PTSP will occur as a result, loss of jobs, etc... We had to lay off several dozen people at my workplace just last week. Hard times atm.
And that is a fair enough opinion, though I think the cost of having not locked down (in large areas where people wouldn’t behave with social responsibility like those in S Korea/Sweden/etc) would have been far higher. The economic cost of swamping hospitals and collapsing health care in the first 2-3 months of the pandemic would have been near unimaginable, condensing the entire outbreak into shorter, much more intense period.

But I do agree that governments should have used that initial lockdown (when we didn’t know enough to properly respond to the virus and deal with it) to figure shit out and get everything in order so future lockdowns wouldn’t be necessary. Unfortunately few did.
 

Enron

Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
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Triggered? Says the guy who gets triggered and goes apoplectic over random SJW twitter posts :lol:

Fear-mongering? Lol

Says the guy who thought Obama was going to refuse to leave office and put dissenters in FEMA camps. What a doofus. :lol:
Lol, you gotta learn to recognize when Andy is trolling

I think everyone realizes normies aren’t getting antibody injections and remdesmir 72 hours after diagnosis
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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And that is a fair enough opinion, though I think the cost of having not locked down (in large areas where people wouldn’t behave with social responsibility like those in S Korea/Sweden/etc) would have been far higher. The economic cost of swamping hospitals and collapsing health care in the first 2-3 months of the pandemic would have been near unimaginable, condensing the entire outbreak into shorter, much more intense period.

But I do agree that governments should have used that initial lockdown (when we didn’t know enough to properly respond to the virus and deal with it) to figure shit out and get everything in order so future lockdowns wouldn’t be necessary. Unfortunately few did.
There is no really proof hospitals would get overcrowded. The most models that predicted extremely high number of cases, had fundamentally wrong algorithm. As an epidemiologist, you will not suffer consequences if you greatly overestimate figures. But slightly underestimating them is percieved as far more problematic. Anywho most fatalities in Italy were in nursery homes, in this respect I dont see any benefits of a hard lock down. Then there was an issue admiting every patient with Covid at beginning, no matter the severity of the case, which streched their healthcare system even further.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
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There is no really proof hospitals would get overcrowded. The most models that predicted extremely high number of cases, had fundamentally wrong algorithm. As an epidemiologist, you will not suffer consequences if you greatly overestimate figures. But slightly underestimating them is percieved as far more problematic. Anywho most fatalities in Italy were in nursery homes, in this respect I dont see any benefits of a hard lock down. Then there was an issue admiting every patient with Covid at beginning, no matter the severity of the case, which streched their healthcare system even further.
Of course underestimating and doing less than required is far more disastrous. Given the number of doctors and nurses who succumbed to this in Italy and that their hard hit paces, allowing it to run rampant would have been a disaster imo and in a lot of epidemiologists opinion too. I choose to listen to their advice on the field they are experts in. You are welcome to ignore it.

And conversely to another point, there is really no proof that hospitals wouldn’t have been swamped and icu’s overrun if we did nothing in response to Covid, which would lead to exponentially worse consequences, with soaring death tolls, including amongst irreplaceable health care workers, than a slight overreaction.

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Lol, you gotta learn to recognize when Andy is trolling

I think everyone realizes normies aren’t getting antibody injections and remdesmir 72 hours after diagnosis
Too true. I’m never quite sure with him. Lol
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
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Also, no one is advocating a "permanent" hard lockdown. It is a temporary measure that allows for the rate of infection to decrease to a point where things become manageable going forward using other less extreme methods, which is what we now see pretty much everywhere.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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If some dude who's 70-whatever, fat as a house, survives this after 4 years of only eating McDonalds, then this shit is 100% hoax material.
You cant be this clueless, can you? Surely you trolling? Or do we have different definitions of hoax? Someone survived it, ergo the 1,041,537 people world wide who died from it really didnt happen? It was faked?
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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‘Muricans attacking Canadians now. Scum of the earth. Sad.
It's the War of 1812 all over again.

White House burning down comes next. (You know that's one popular rumor of why it got called the White House, right ... not just because of the ideology of the peeps in it. ;) )

They generally always have, from what I recall. They've always tried to walk a fine line with white pride being more about being pro something rather than being anti someone else.

Meanwhile, here in Portugal, we've been spared many of the whack job far right movements seen around the world -- including Europe (AfD, Vox, etc.). But we have a one-seat-in-parliament party called Chega! ("Enough!") that is trying its hardest. They are one to keep an eye on as a weak signal. They do regular marches, but they're usually not that big and thus don't garner much attention. With COVID economy impacts to come, etc., you do have to be on alert.

But what spooked me last night was seeing a march of theirs in the center of Lisbon where they are now emulating the memes of America. That's a new tactic. Including Proud Boys style black & yellow Fred Perry shirts (dafuq?) and QAnon-adjacent placards going off about pedophilia. (Attachments at bottom.)

American insanity is trying to infect the planet.

Trump is receiving an "experimental antibody cocktail" and remains "fatigued."
That sounds like the sort of thing he'd use to Bill Cosby some porn model.

:lol: That's pretty damn comical.

Yes in my opinion.
Interesting. I thought my gaydar was better than the average Joe, having lived in SF for so long. But I think you're on to something.

Might not be that bad under Kamala. She's a wolf in sheeps clothing and can fuck over her base of 'tards for years just like she did with the black community. One of the biggest limousine liberals and boss hogs in politics.
My wife's theory is that Biden is a Trojan Horse. His heart is just not into running the country given his age and the death of his son. He's running because the DNC shat itself like it always does by neutering anything that might be controversial. He's role would be to win the presidency and then step down.

If some dude who's 70-whatever, fat as a house, survives this after 4 years of only eating McDonalds, then this shit is 100% hoax material.
:lol: The dude is getting the best healthcare on the planet in spite of himself. If the Fat Boy fooks that up, there's no one else to blame but Trump.

Dude just decided to take a motor cade to greet fans. Gotta feel for the secret service.:lol:
Dude, it's entirely like the Madness of King George:

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swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Btw, Chega!'s issue with pedophilia is that they want to castrate guilty parties. The government told them that's unconstitutional punishment. Chega! is all pissed because the government won't let them do anything fun. :lol:

Ah, Antifa... the "organized movement" that's like feminism... no meetings, no membership, no head of feminism ... just c'é un feeling, as they say in Italy...

Some people being trolled too easily by the Antifa supersoldier memes these days...

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Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,176
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I agree entirely with this. In fact, I believe I’ve posted links to a number of absurd fat acceptance/body positivity activism articles in the past. The acceptance and even promotion of obesity in western cultures is shameful and does a massive amount of harm on an individual and societal level, not to mention the huge burden it places on the health care system. And the activism surrounding banishing discussion of these problems is sickening.

I know you probably disagree, because you don’t like taxation and government interference, but I would love a junk/fat food tax to subsidize making healthy, high quality foods more affordable.
I would consider it if I knew for a fact it would reduce the cost of quality foods, but I don't think it will. From a supply and demand curve perspective, you would need to increase production of quality foods to meet the increased demand due to the taxed garbage food, otherwise the prices will rise. The tax would have to be so high that it pushes the garbage producers towards quality, otherwise all food prices will be dramatically higher. I don't trust these things.

We shouldn't shame fat people, but I agree it's ridiculous to promote acceptance as well. If I didn't know any better I would think that whole acceptance movement was created by the fast food industry. Everything nowadays is so jacked up to everyone's detriment, from food to drugs to politics.

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Who is laughing? The dispute is, whether it is enough to shut down businesses, schools, etc... which ensued with global panic. I think consequences of a hard lockdown that many countries (including mine) enacted, will be felt for the next several years, and saved lives will come at extremely high price. Hospitals for instance didnt admit anyone for several weeks, all capacity was reserved for Covid patients. A lot of people werent diagnosed during that time. Psychological consequences on our youngest population for instance, that couldnt socialize with their peers. I wonder how many cases of PTSD will occur as a result, loss of jobs, etc... We had to lay off several dozen people at my workplace just last week. Hard times atm.
All important economic trade-offs that need to be understood. You can make an assertion that the opportunity cost of lost opportunities -- or rather, the side effects of the pandemic itself, will set us back further than the implicit impacts of the pandemic. This can be anything from increased tax burdens 20-30 years down the road on an already behind generation that has underdeveloped skills because of the lack of any classroom experience or professional guidance, or the capital that could be put to work now as opposed to 30 years down the road due to time value of money. Personally, I still think the side effects are going to be much worse than the pandemic itself, but it won't be realized for various reasons.

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Interesting. I thought my gaydar was better than the average Joe, having lived in SF for so long. But I think you're on to something.
He's a little too clean cut, plus being anti-gay means he's definitely not straight as an arrow. Reminds me of these catholic priests/bretherens/whatever in my area that talk with lisps and complain to my friends for throwing out a "such a gorgeous rug, oh my goodness."


My wife's theory is that Biden is a Trojan Horse. His heart is just not into running the country given his age and the death of his son. He's running because the DNC shat itself like it always does by neutering anything that might be controversial. He's role would be to win the presidency and then step down.
That's a huge shame but could be right.
 
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