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Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
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#43
How come?I've the iPod nano aswell(3rd generation) and I don't regret buying it whatsoever.I even watch movies on it.I watched 2 Fast 2 Furious while I was in a plane on my way to Italy.That was sexy.
meh, It's an alright music device, but the limit on the format it can play is annoying. The fact hat you need itunes, and if you choose to download songs from itunes, you can't put them on another MP3 player besides ipod sucks.

all in all I'm keeping my Nano for use in the gym, but I'm getting a new MP3 player for those long bus rides to Uni
 

V

Senior Member
Jun 8, 2005
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Lion, get an iAudio 7 + some decent headphones. You'll throw your iPod in the trash after that. ;)
 

Marceℓℓo

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Mar 16, 2007
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#45
meh, It's an alright music device, but the limit on the format it can play is annoying. The fact hat you need itunes, and if you choose to download songs from itunes, you can't put them on another MP3 player besides ipod sucks.

all in all I'm keeping my Nano for use in the gym, but I'm getting a new MP3 player for those long bus rides to Uni
I don't care about the formats as long as it plays mp3 and mpeg4,it's all about converting with the right program.
I agree about iTunes,it really pisses me of that you have to use it and can't just drag&drop it to the folder of the mp3 player.
I never ever downloaded a single song from iTunes and I'm pretty sure I won't in the future.I rather downlaod more or less illegaly than paying for songs I can easily get for free.I'm badass.

:p
 

.zero

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Aug 8, 2006
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It's not hip, it's for sheep. That's what Apple specializes in, hoarding sheep. Anything they sell, the sheep buy. It's not far off from being a cult.
exactly, its a business and the best thing any business can achieve is branding. that is exactly what they have done with the ipod. they changed the game and have made alot of $$$ doing so. plus the ipod is not a horrible product as you guys are making it out to be. i dont see Creative or any other bogus brand doing what apple does and selling how apple sells. once again, don't hate
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
#50
Lion, get an iAudio 7 + some decent headphones. You'll throw your iPod in the trash after that. ;)
I was actually thinking of getting an iAudio 2 years ago.


I'll definetely keep that suggestion on mind. Mind you I want something that will fit easily in a pocket
 

Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
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#51
exactly, its a business and the best thing any business can achieve is branding. that is exactly what they have done with the ipod. they changed the game and have made alot of $$$ doing so. plus the ipod is not a horrible product as you guys are making it out to be. i dont see Creative or any other bogus brand doing what apple does and selling how apple sells. once again, don't hate
They do excellent business, I know that.

So your conclusion is anyone who can somehow get their crap to sell doesn't deserve any criticism.

Creative and others obviously don't have a PR department as good as Apple's. So you suggest we all buy Apple because they have better marketing, nevermind that other companies have better engineering and make better products.

I can only assume you'd buy a car based on how good it sells, regardless of whether it's a good car or not.
 

V

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Jun 8, 2005
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I was actually thinking of getting an iAudio 2 years ago.


I'll definetely keep that suggestion on mind. Mind you I want something that will fit easily in a pocket
Dimensions: 35.6mm x 76.1mm x 19mm

You can fit 5 of them in your pocket. :p
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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#53
If you really wanna make your experience worthwhile, buy proper earphones for it. The standard earphones you recieve with any player are probably worth 3$ and sound awful. I bought myself Westone UM1's(about a 100$) and the sound quality between them and the standard ones is...heaven and earth. ;)

headfi.org is a sick place to get headphone/earphone information. The usual recommendations for entry level earphones are Ultimate Ears Super Fi 3, Westone UM1, Audio Technica ATH-CK7. But that's just for the in-ear models, there are also earbuds, neck-bands, etc.
Definitely. As an owner of the last generation of Ultimate Ears, which I got new on eBay for $50, they far surpass the crap that comes with players and yet they are far from the best things out there.

I have a bmw and Golf GTI! But I never had a 100$ earphone :cry:
You can still get a massive improvement for under $100.

Can it play FLAC? No. Can you install it without iTunes and other crap software? No. Does it have superiour audio reproduction? No. Good enough reasons for me.

iPod is simply hip, nothing more.
iPod makes a great product, no question. It's solid, simple, and does as advertised. But it comes at a significant marketing premium in its price, when you compare it feature-for-feature with alternates.

But the biggest headache is the closed system: no FLAC, all the iTunes garbage and aacs (not to mention how iTunes knows how to scramble a file system into something useless), etc. It's like Microsoft Windows 95 all over again.

While I love my MacBook Pro, I would probably never buy an iPod or iPhone unless the company makes some serious strategic changes in their product marketing and direction.
 

V

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Jun 8, 2005
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Definitely. As an owner of the last generation of Ultimate Ears, which I got new on eBay for $50, they far surpass the crap that comes with players and yet they are far from the best things out there.
How's the comfort with the UE? I hear they're not too comfy.. They were my first choice but I gave up because I read they're not too comfy and supposedly they stick out of your ears too much. They sure do look classy though.

My Westone's on the other hand, feel like having a pillow in your ear. I fell asleep with them on numerous times. However, they look like an hearing-aid. :p
You can still get a massive improvement for under $100.
Most definetly. Sadly few people know how crappy the included headphones are. You can get better headphones as a present from a cereal box.
iPod makes a great product, no question. It's solid, simple, and does as advertised. But it comes at a significant marketing premium in its price, when you compare it feature-for-feature with alternates.

But the biggest headache is the closed system: no FLAC, all the iTunes garbage and aacs (not to mention how iTunes knows how to scramble a file system into something useless), etc. It's like Microsoft Windows 95 all over again.

While I love my MacBook Pro, I would probably never buy an iPod or iPhone unless the company makes some serious strategic changes in their product marketing and direction.
I've never had an iPod and never thought about buying it. The features it has are simply not enough for me. That and the fact you need to have that bloatware installed to do anything with it.

Another thing I like about my iAudio is the fact it uses a regular USB/USB mini cable which comes with pretty much every digital camera. So chances of you hooking it up to your mate's PC are pretty high. Plug it in and "open folder to view files" and it's done.
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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#56
How's the comfort with the UE? I hear they're not too comfy.. They were my first choice but I gave up because I read they're not too comfy and supposedly they stick out of your ears too much. They sure do look classy though.
I find them pretty comfy. My case even came with five different pairs of earplug attachments to try them out for different comfort levels. I use the default ones.

There are probably more comfortable out there, like some of the ridiculously expensive Shure earphones. But they work for me. And they pretty much seal everything out. Talk about making things like noise cancellation extra redundant -- you can put these babies in without any sound playing and it practically blocks out the world.

My one complaint about these cheaper numbers is some of the bass fidelity -- that's the sort of thing you get when you go for the earbuds that cost 3x as much + ...

They do stick out there, but hey -- I don't really care.

I've never had an iPod and never thought about buying it. The features it has are simply not enough for me. That and the fact you need to have that bloatware installed to do anything with it.
While I like software like iPhoto a lot, iTunes is a horribly engineered piece of proprietary bloatware.

And why, oh why, did its developers feel we were so stupid that we could not mentally comprehend what folders of a file system meant?

Another thing I like about my iAudio is the fact it uses a regular USB/USB mini cable which comes with pretty much every digital camera. So chances of you hooking it up to your mate's PC are pretty high. Plug it in and "open folder to view files" and it's done.
IMO, the best ones all do that. :)
 

.zero

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Aug 8, 2006
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They do excellent business, I know that.

So your conclusion is anyone who can somehow get their crap to sell doesn't deserve any criticism.

Creative and others obviously don't have a PR department as good as Apple's. So you suggest we all buy Apple because they have better marketing, nevermind that other companies have better engineering and make better products.

I can only assume you'd buy a car based on how good it sells, regardless of whether it's a good car or not.
all i'm saying is that they are at the top of the market because they do put out a good product. you are labeling the masses of consumers who have purchased ipods as dumb cattle when in fact apple does design a very nice piece which apparently do meet the needs of many many ppl. nowadays how much a product sells does reflect how good it is.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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#59
all i'm saying is that they are at the top of the market because they do put out a good product. you are labeling the masses of consumers who have purchased ipods as dumb cattle when in fact apple does design a very nice piece which apparently do meet the needs of many many ppl. nowadays how much a product sells does reflect how good it is.
But you know that being at the top of the market is more than just about product. Product surely helps. But if we were to believe just market penetration as a guide, I'd be taking my wife to anniversary dinners at McDonald's.

The fact that I still have a wife should be an indicator how much that isn't true. ;)
 

Martin

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2000
56,913
#60
all i'm saying is that they are at the top of the market because they do put out a good product. you are labeling the masses of consumers who have purchased ipods as dumb cattle when in fact apple does design a very nice piece which apparently do meet the needs of many many ppl. nowadays how much a product sells does reflect how good it is.
If this were your first post in this thread my response would be different. Why don't we turn back the clock and see what you said:

just get an ipod, stop hating on apple and accept its stronghold on the market
Do you honestly protest being labeled as "cattle" for posting this? You actually said "cmon everyone, let's be cattle". Whether in jest or not.

And this last post of yours is the first one to actually describe the product we're talking about rather than the company that made it. So in other words all your arguments failed, because the only thing I will accept is an argument about the product. Which is exactly as it should be. And that it something Apple has successfully subverted with their marketing machine, something you demonstrated yourself. That is hurting the consumer, not helping.
 

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