Mozilla Firefox or Opera, choose your browser. (19 Viewers)

[Martin]

Had you specified in the first post you require a one-click-solution, identical to FF behaviour, I wouldn't have bothered finding this one.

"Be specific in your bug reports!"

Aight, you're right, I take the blame for this one.

 

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[V]

Btw this is what user interface design is. It's just this petty and subtle and difficult, because people have strong feelings about the way they like to do things. There are tons of examples of bad user interfaces and not that many good ones. It's a demanding field. Users know that a slight difference doesn't matter if you use it once, but it makes a huge difference when you use it 234232 times. This is why software that just "feels right" (like certain parts of KDE, to me) is so awesome.

Of course it is, but it differs from person to person. KDE is by far better and more intuitive thang GNOME, We agree on that one, but that doesn't change the fact the most popuar distro is GNOME based. It's a hard field and that's why they are different products that offer different functionality. Your personal preference is not end of all things.

Now bye, I gotta watch Croatia-France semi-final in handball. It's played in Norway and we threw you guys out.

"Be specific in your bug reports!"

Aight, you're right, I take the blame for this one.

I'm glad Jack is happy, at least he got what he wanted. I think.

 

[Martin]

Now bye, I gotta watch Croatia-France semi-final in handball. It's played in Norway and we threw you guys out.

Enjoy your nap

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

lol it still doesn't do what it's supposed to do. The point is that it should pick off tabs right-to-left. So if you have 9 tabs open and you're on #8 and close it, it should give you #9. If you're on #9 and close it it should give you #8. This is how FF works. Opera doesn't seem capable of it.

use can middle-click in the tab and it'll close down btw.

as for opening a link in a new window without switching to it immediately, hold down Ctrl and Shift when u Left click teh lin and it'll do that...

 

[V]

Enjoy your nap

Nap? Handball rocks, it's more intense than any other sport, at least 10 times more then football.

BTW, we're in the final!

 

[Martin]

Nap? Handball rocks, it's more intense than any other sport, at least 10 times more then football.

BTW, we're in the final!

Nu-uh, a 100m sprint is way more intense. p

But that doesn't change the fact that handball is dead boring to me. umpkin:

Btw men's or women's?

 

[JCK]

Martin and Vlatko ruined this thread with their boring configurations, just use FF and forget about Opera.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Martin and Vlatko ruined this thread with their boring configurations, just use Opera and forget about FF.

Fixed! :eyebrows:

 

[Martin]

Why hasn't Opera succeeded? Here's my take on it.

 

[JCK]

I agree with your opinion on Opera, it has always struck me as the odd browser. I have it always on my desktops, I always install it after I install FF whether on Windows or on Linux but I always refer to it afterwards. I even used it for a while as a mail client

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I agree with your opinion on Opera, it has always struck me as the odd browser. I have it always on my desktops, I always install it after I install FF whether on Windows or on Linux but I always refer to it afterwards. I even used it for a while as a mail client

try surviving a week without FF and with Opera! lets see how u do?

 

[JCK]

try surviving a week without FF and with Opera! lets see how u do?

Why should I? I need my bookmarks in Opera and that simply doesn't work.

 

[Cronios]

Can opera open a new tab from bookmarks with the middle click button?
Such shortcomings, the mediocre customization and the lack of add ons like adblock and video downloader, totally turned me away from Opera.
There was a time, when i was really angry with firefox,
as it lacks a proper, efficient bookmark back up.
Every time i have to format, or every time FF crashes, i lose all the data and since FF is kind enough to remember them for me, i tend to forget them, favorite sites+passwords+accounts...

If ever suddenly disappear, you guys should know, i m either dead or its FF's fault...

 

[V]

Why hasn't Opera succeeded? Here's my take on it.

Like I said on your site, very well written and really disapointed I didn't even get a mention.

Seriously though, I couldn't agree less with you on pretty much everything. They haven't failed, there are still millions of users running Opera and loving it. And as you said they have the best product for browsing on PDAs, cell phones as well and not to forget Nintendo Wii also uses Opera.

They haven't managed to do what FF did, true, but they still offer a quality, just different product. And some people just like different. I for one, as you know, love every single thing about Opera and dislike FF almost as much as IE. Call me weird but I'm sure I'm not the only one on the Earth. Having 1 or 2% in such a huge market as Internet browsers will never be a small thing or a failure.

And Konqueror, in my most honest opinion, sucks great big balls of fire, both as a file manager and even more as a browser. If it ever gets a bigger market share than Opera, I'll eat my shorts.

 

[Martin]

Seriously though, I couldn't agree less with you on pretty much everything.

lolwhat? Everything? So you disagree that in 1996 Netscape was #1 and so on?

They haven't failed, there are still millions of users running Opera and loving it.

When talking about failure it's necessary to first define the criteria for success. Failed to conquer the market. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. Their market share has probably never crossed 3% and right now it's lower than it once was because of frickin Safari among other things.

And Konqueror, in my most honest opinion, sucks great big balls of fire, both as a file manager and even more as a browser. If it ever gets a bigger market share than Opera, I'll eat my shorts.

Don't make promises you don't intend to keep.

 

[V]

When talking about failure it's necessary to first define the criteria for success. Failed to conquer the market. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. Their market share has probably never crossed 3% and right now it's lower than it once was because of frickin Safari among other things.

Did Firefox conquer the market? No. They conquered the alternative browser market, it's a very big difference. Who knows, maybe in a few years things will change? If you can believe Konqueror will overstep Opera, ooh, I get shivers just by saying that, I can believe Opera will beat FF. I already do, actually.

Opera devs definetely have the ideas, maybe in the future those ideas will be shaped differently, more suited to you, less to me.

The battle is lost but the war is still on.

 

[Martin]

Did Firefox conquer the market? No. They conquered the alternative browser market, it's a very big difference.

That's like saying Palladino has conquered the alternative top scorer table

Who knows, maybe in a few years things will change? If you can believe Konqueror will overstep Opera, ooh, I get shivers just by saying that, I can believe Opera will beat FF. I already do, actually.

First of all, Konq will not do that until it gets better. What is about to happen is that webkit, the rendering engine that Safari uses and that so many people are nuts about (which is based on khtml originally, from konqueror), is going into QT, which means it's going to be in Konqueror as well. Konq still has a lot of quirks, but it's going to get a lot of attention because of webkit and because of the Windows release. And therefore in say 2 years time I can see Konqueror being on the mainstream radar.

 

[V]

Konq has a long way to go then. I don't think it will get that much attention though, most linux distros are already including FF with them and it's questionable how will all this KDE on Windows agenda fare with the general public. If Konq is gonna make such a leap, it's gonna have to be a whole new program, the way it is now, it's just shite.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Can opera open a new tab from bookmarks with the middle click button?
Such shortcomings, the mediocre customization and the lack of add ons like adblock and video downloader, totally turned me away from Opera.
There was a time, when i was really angry with firefox,
as it lacks a proper, efficient bookmark back up.
Every time i have to format, or every time FF crashes, i lose all the data and since FF is kind enough to remember them for me, i tend to forget them, favorite sites+passwords+accounts...

If ever suddenly disappear, you guys should know, i m either dead or its FF's fault...

well, press ctrl+shift when clicking on a Bookmark and it'll open it in a new tab.

as for adblock, use this... http://www.fanboy.co.nz/adblock/opera/

i've been using that and i've no complaints!

 

[Martin]

More sault in the wounds of vlatko

"Firefox's market share has hit 28.0% in Europe as of December 2007, according to a French web metrics firm. That's a 20.7% increase from the beginning of 2007. 'Finland currently has the highest Firefox market share in Europe with 45.4 percent, followed by Slovenia with 44.6 percent and Poland with 42.4 percent.' IE share fell to just 66.1% in December, a 0.9 point loss in just a month. It should also be noted that Firefox's success could spell trouble for Opera's antitrust complaint: 'Firefox's continued success in Europe may undermine some of the arguments made by Norwegian browser maker Opera in an antitrust complaint filed against Microsoft in December of last year. Opera accused Microsoft of abusing its dominant position in the web browser market by tying Internet Explorer to Windows.'"