Movie Talk (New Films, Old Films... doesn't matter) (30 Viewers)
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Have we? I havent watched a film about a wrestler that has fallen out of commercial failure and has found out he could die. I also have seen a film that is a social commentary on the way that being a performer can affect you irl. Im not sure which standard narrative you are associating it with either, enlighten me.
It's the story about an old(er) guy desperately trying to cling on to his old life, but slowly realising he has made some mistakes in the past, so he tries to make amends.
There's the estranged daughter whose love/trust he tries to regain. Which at first doesn't work out & then it does (won't go into any details about how it ends though as that is a spoiler).
There's the woman he falls in love with. Which at first doesn't work out, later on it does.
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Sure, setting it in a wrestling environment (which felt truly authentic by the way) makes it feel a fresh, but it doesn't make it feel new, to me at least.
Funny thing, after I watched the movie, I scanned through the making of & there was this guy (the producer iirc) who put it really well, something along the lines of: this is undeniably clichéd storytelling, so we had to make sure that the other qualities of the movie (acting, setting, ...) were so great that you forget about the clichés. And they did succeed in that imo.
There's the estranged daughter whose love/trust he tries to regain. Which at first doesn't work out & then it does (won't go into any details about how it ends though as that is a spoiler).
There's the woman he falls in love with. Which at first doesn't work out, later on it does.
...
Sure, setting it in a wrestling environment (which felt truly authentic by the way) makes it feel a fresh, but it doesn't make it feel new, to me at least.
Funny thing, after I watched the movie, I scanned through the making of & there was this guy (the producer iirc) who put it really well, something along the lines of: this is undeniably clichéd storytelling, so we had to make sure that the other qualities of the movie (acting, setting, ...) were so great that you forget about the clichés. And they did succeed in that imo.
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To your measure.
From what I see in that scene, I see 3 white guys and 3 Asian guys. The Asian's have a fairy with a funny voice, the white's have a stupid retarded fat man. It seems to me like a fair trade off. 
Half of my degree is studying film, analysing socio-political contexts, gerne conventions, codes and standard conventions, audiences studies alongside standard film/narrative theory - todorov, propp, uses and gratifications etc. etc. So i view study of films that does not go into that ammount of detail as shallow, because it is in comparison to the deep studies i have to do all the time. And when i watch a film all of that stuff is what is going through my head, which i dare say is the reason i end up with different conclusions to different films than most of you.
I understand that comedy is the art of offending and getting away with it, and most things are fine, post modern racism can be very funny (using racism in a way to mock racists, without having any meaning behind what you are saying) etc. But people like Bernand Manning i just find despicable.
