Movie Talk (New Films, Old Films... doesn't matter) (30 Viewers)

Jan 7, 2004
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Half of my degree is studying film, analysing socio-political contexts, gerne conventions, codes and standard conventions, audiences studies alongside standard film/narrative theory - todorov, propp, uses and gratifications etc. etc. So i view study of films that does not go into that ammount of detail as shallow, because it is in comparison to the deep studies i have to do all the time. And when i watch a film all of that stuff is what is going through my head, which i dare say is the reason i end up with different conclusions to different films than most of you.

congratulations on choosing an educational path that holds absolutely 0 relevance
 

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SABSAB

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Dec 10, 2008
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If someone shouting at a man of asian descent 'i hate godzilla' isnt racism, or giving the only character in the film of a none caucasian descent a stupid voice, and a low comedic role in which he is made to look stupid isnt racism to you then i do question your moral intergrity.
Well then EVERY (comedy) movie is racist. Why do you bother watching them?
 

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Oct 11, 2005
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If someone shouting at a man of asian descent 'i hate godzilla' isnt racism, or giving the only character in the film of a none caucasian descent a stupid voice, and a low comedic role in which he is made to look stupid isnt racism to you then i do question your moral intergrity.
I think you're being a bit harsh. By the time of both of those scense Galafanakas is already established as the morally loose tongued character of the film. If you're going to pick out those scenes, why not the "paging doctor faggot" or the "I can't be within 100 feet of a school" scene.

As for the portrayal of minorities in a film that is based on the exploits of three white leads. I think your forgetting that the majority of the supporting cast are minorities (with the exception of Rob Riggle and the ER doctor). Mike Tyson, Mike Epps, and Heather Graham and the black cop all come off pretty well and play important roles in the comedic experience of the film.

While overhyped and not as completely (all the way through) funny as other comedies, the Hangover is far from being the racist tripe you consider it. I'd probably consider the Jar-Jar Binks character in Phantom Menace to be a bigger issue.

If you want to see a truly racist film I suggest to find a copy of Song of the South.
 

Ford Prefect

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May 28, 2009
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congratulations on choosing an educational path that holds absolutely 0 relevance
Congratulations on choosing to not read what i said properly. I said half of my degree is on film. Because i love film and im good at film, i had the highest mark in my A level year for it. And how does film studies not hold any relvelance. Who do you think work in film production, screenwriting, direction, editing, camerawork, critical analyses etc.


And whilst you are calling me stupid how about you find out what i study for the other half of my degree, i study international politics/relations. And the course that i have been accepted on for my masters cource at Cardiff University (top 20 uk uni, sometimes top 10) is in political journalism. I was also given a scholarship to study at my uni, which has the best dept for international politics in the UK and one of the best in the world. And my film dept has one of the best research facilities in the UK.
 

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Oct 11, 2005
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Well then EVERY (comedy) movie is racist. Why do you bother watching them?
So he can examine the social meanings and underlying messages behind the films.

You guys just have to realize that Jasper is a black and white guy. So he's likely to completely dismiss your opinions. Take into account that he doesn't mean to insult or belittle, he just disagrees, however curtly he displays it.
 

JCK

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May 11, 2004
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Half of my degree is studying film, analysing socio-political contexts, gerne conventions, codes and standard conventions, audiences studies alongside standard film/narrative theory - todorov, propp, uses and gratifications etc. etc. So i view study of films that does not go into that ammount of detail as shallow, because it is in comparison to the deep studies i have to do all the time. And when i watch a film all of that stuff is what is going through my head, which i dare say is the reason i end up with different conclusions to different films than most of you.
That was not my question but thank you for the info and the effort.
 

Ford Prefect

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May 28, 2009
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Well then EVERY (comedy) movie is racist. Why do you bother watching them?
Please explain what you mean. How is every comedy film racist?


I think you're being a bit harsh. By the time of both of those scense Galafanakas is already established as the morally loose tongued character of the film. If you're going to pick out those scenes, why not the "paging doctor faggot" or the "I can't be within 100 feet of a school" scene.

As for the portrayal of minorities in a film that is based on the exploits of three white leads. I think your forgetting that the majority of the supporting cast are minorities (with the exception of Rob Riggle and the ER doctor). Mike Tyson, Mike Epps, and Heather Graham and the black cop all come off pretty well and play important roles in the comedic experience of the film.

While overhyped and not as completely (all the way through) funny as other comedies, the Hangover is far from being the racist tripe you consider it. I'd probably consider the Jar-Jar Binks character in Phantom Menace to be a bigger issue.

If you want to see a truly racist film I suggest to find a copy of Song of the South.
I havent seen Jar-Jar binxs for about 10 years so i wouldnt know about his racist credentials, theres no point in bringing one disney film for racism, a man singing about how much he loves slavery is fairly standard as disney goes. The worst racism i saw in a big film last year was transformers two.
 

Nicholas

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Jan 30, 2008
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Please explain what you mean. How is every comedy film racist?




I havent seen Jar-Jar binxs for about 10 years so i wouldnt know about his racist credentials, theres no point in bringing one disney film for racism, a man singing about how much he loves slavery is fairly standard as disney goes. The worst racism i saw in a big film last year was transformers two.
Enlighten me?
 

Ford Prefect

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May 28, 2009
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This from wiki

There has also been considerable negative reaction to the characters Mudflap and Skids, who are alleged to embody racist stereotypes. Manohla Dargis of The New York Times said that "the characters [...] indicate that minstrelsy remains as much in fashion in Hollywood as when, well, Jar Jar Binks was set loose by George Lucas".[106] Critic Scott Mendelson said "To say that these two are the most astonishingly racist caricatures that I've ever seen in a mainstream motion picture would be an understatement".[107] Harry Knowles, founder of Ain't It Cool News, went further, asking his readers "not to support this film" because "you'll be taking [your children] to see a film with the lowest forms of humor, stereotypes and racism around".[108]
 

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Oct 11, 2005
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I havent seen Jar-Jar binxs for about 10 years so i wouldnt know about his racist credentials, theres no point in bringing one disney film for racism, a man singing about how much he loves slavery is fairly standard as disney goes. The worst racism i saw in a big film last year was transformers two.
Dude, you have to watch Song of the South. :D

As for transformers two, I'm sure you're talking about the two transformers that are portrayed to be minority gangbanger retards as a ploy to gain comedic relief. That annoyed me too. That's pretty much what Lucas did with the Jar-Jar-Binx character.
 

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Instead of dwelling to much into the film, why not just watch it without thinking of the implications?
Those two were pretty hard to miss. In all honesty it was a pretty lame attempt to add comedic relief to an action film. It really is a case of poor and lazy writing. Instead of stereotypes, they could have made the characters to be jaded, sarcastic, etc.
 

Ford Prefect

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May 28, 2009
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Those two were pretty hard to miss. In all honesty it was a pretty lame attempt to add comedic relief to an action film. It really is a case of poor and lazy writing. Instead of stereotypes, they could have made the characters to be jaded, sarcastic, etc.

I cant think of any redeaming factors of transformers 2. Kermode explains how i feel about it.


Such a cynical film. (I watched the film before i listened to his podcast, same as i did with avatar (they were released on thursday, his review was on the friday)
 

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I cant think of any redeaming factors of transformers 2. Kermode explains how i feel about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g__bQ-Y7D8Q

Such a cynical film. (I watched the film before i listened to his podcast, same as i did with avatar (they were released on thursday, his review was on the friday)
It's pretty much Megan Fox eye candy shots mixed in with explosions.
 

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