Movie Talk (New Films, Old Films... doesn't matter) (195 Viewers)

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With Zombieland i had mediocre expectations, and left furious. If theres one thing i hate its lazy film making.

And the other film was shit.
The film was mindless fun. It was evident from the first 2.5 minutes, I don't know how you can go wrong with such a film, or to put it another way, I have no idea what did you expect from it.
 

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The film was mindless fun. It was evident from the first 2.5 minutes, I don't know how you can go wrong with such a film, or to put it another way, I have no idea what did you expect from it.
The trailer made the film out to be new and different.

It was a one joke film, Woody Harrelsons tour of america to find a fucking twinkie. It wasnt new, it wasnt funny, it didnt break any ground. The ultimate zomcom is Shawn of the Dead, so i do not understand why hollywood is insisting that more are made.
 

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The trailer made the film out to be new and different.

It was a one joke film, Woody Harrelsons tour of america to find a fucking twinkie. It wasnt new, it wasnt funny, it didnt break any ground. The ultimate zomcom is Shawn of the Dead, so i do not understand why hollywood is insisting that more are made.
Shaun Of The Dead is great, true, but I found this one very amusing and just what the doctor ordered to kill 1.5 hours. The film had it's own appeal, different to Shaun Of The Dead. Sure, one was more original than the other, but fuck, every freaking movie has a number of it's spin-offs. It's just the way it is, hardly any movie in the last 2 decades was new and groundbreaking.
 

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Shaun Of The Dead is great, true, but I found this one very amusing and just what the doctor ordered to kill 1.5 hours. The film had it's own appeal, different to Shaun Of The Dead. Sure, one was more original than the other, but fuck, every freaking movie has a number of it's spin-offs. It's just the way it is, hardly any movie in the last 2 decades was new and groundbreaking.
Donnie Darko
American Pyscho
The Matrix
Resevior Dogs
Irreversible
Borat
Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
The Big Lebowski
In Bruges
Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas
No Country For Old
Fight Club
Downfall

These are just films iv noticed on my shelf that were new and innovative. Theres hundreds, there is absolutely no excuse, it is just LAZY and APATHETIC, its easier for hollywood to turn out tripe like the transformers series, which is pure evil, which means that they dont bother doing anything new. As a result it is up to the indies and the alt scene to bring us films like iv listed, that will open out miinds and do something new and not let cinema die on its back. Any changes you do see in Hollywood usually come from successful alt cinema films.

If you need an example. after lock stock and snatch left behind their cult status' in america and became quite mainstream films the studio system responded by immediatly releasing Smokin' Aces and Lucky Number Slevin, both not very good films, but it is an example nontheless
 

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Donnie Darko
American Pyscho
The Matrix
Resevior Dogs
Irreversible
Borat
Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
The Big Lebowski
In Bruges
Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas
No Country For Old
Fight Club
Downfall

These are just films iv noticed on my shelf that were new and innovative. Theres hundreds, there is absolutely no excuse, it is just LAZY and APATHETIC, its easier for hollywood to turn out tripe like the transformers series, which is pure evil, which means that they dont bother doing anything new. As a result it is up to the indies and the alt scene to bring us films like iv listed, that will open out miinds and do something new and not let cinema die on its back. Any changes you do see in Hollywood usually come from successful alt cinema films.

If you need an example. after lock stock and snatch left behind their cult status' in america and became quite mainstream films the studio system responded by immediatly releasing Smokin' Aces and Lucky Number Slevin, both not very good films, but it is an example nontheless
Most of those are awesome films, but if you ask me, none of those films were groundbreaking. They were original in their plot and presentation.

Movies like Lawrence Of Arabia, Dr. Strangelove, Psycho, Apocalypse Now, Star Wars, etc. were groundbreaking in their respective genres. Everything else fades in comparison. Saving Private Ryan can be a no matter how good of a film, but Apocalypse Now is THE war-drama movie of all time.
 

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Most of those are awesome films, but if you ask me, none of those films were groundbreaking. They were original in their plot and presentation.

Movies like Lawrence Of Arabia, Dr. Strangelove, Psycho, Apocalypse Now, Star Wars, etc. were groundbreaking in their respective genres. Everything else fades in comparison. Saving Private Ryan can be a no matter how good of a film, but Apocalypse Now is THE war-drama movie of all time.
A film being groundbreaking doesnt have to be about visuals or style, its also about representations, narative, codes and conventions etc. The Matrix completely overhauled the way in which films are made. Reservoir Dogs had an indescribable effect on the way in which narratives are constructed, as did Pulp Fiction, the same can be said for the Guy Ritchie films, they had a massive effect on the way that scripts are writen and the chemistry that we now take for granted that we see in actors. If you look at The Hangover, which was an awful film, the actors had absolutely no chemistry and it really showed through on the finished product.
 

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A film being groundbreaking doesnt have to be about visuals or style, its also about representations, narative, codes and conventions etc. The Matrix completely overhauled the way in which films are made. Reservoir Dogs had an indescribable effect on the way in which narratives are constructed, as did Pulp Fiction, the same can be said for the Guy Ritchie films, they had a massive effect on the way that scripts are writen and the chemistry that we now take for granted that we see in actors. If you look at The Hangover, which was an awful film, the actors had absolutely no chemistry and it really showed through on the finished product.
I know what you're saying and I partially agree, but you're too strict over it. I didn't see your edit at first, but Lucky Number Slevin is actually a very good point, for my case. Obviously inspired by Ritchie's work, but had it's own appeal, good plot and fantastic actors. It's no Lock, Stock but a very good movie on it's own. Just because something was inspired by something better, doesn't mean it can't be good and stand on its own.

I also think Hangover was a good film, for what it's supposed to be. Dude, not every comedy can be a Big Lebowski. Some of them you just take for what they are and try to enjoy them.
 

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