Messi vs C.Ronaldo (40 Viewers)
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But we won. Just in the last 24 years Argentina forgot to play football and this make that when Brazil was bad Chile/Colombia won a little. I just feel that you understimate Uruguay.
Using 1991~2021 timeline
Chile won two with the same team in this crazy thing of a lot Copa Americas (2015 and 2016). It had the best generation of its story. Just not did better in World Cup because IT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE CHILE DEFEAT BRAZIL. It is really strange, but don't matter how good is their team, they almost always are defeat by us. I think two or three of last world cups this happens. There is a joke in Brazil that says "if we are in a crisis, it just play against Chile"
Colombia won one, and had three good generations in the period. No live to the expectations.
Uruguay is a little understimate by europeans. Besides do bad in world cups in last times except 2010, they always have competitive times and are seeing as the third force here. We have more respect to them then times as Spain for instance. They won 2 in this time gap.
Brazil won 5, besides we don't care a lot for this competion. It is not that no one wants win this, but no one will be remember for won. World Cup is all that matter.
Argentina won 3. The thing is they pass a huge long time without win anything.
Usually Copa America is: Brazil and Argentina the always favorites. Uruguay as next force. And probably one other South American in a good moment. Sometimes Colombia, more recently Chile. Peru had a good moment too, besides didn't won anything and Paraguay is always a bad team organized.
Ecuator miss the altitute in general and don't anything and Bolivia/Venezuela the eternal bad teams that if you don't won it is a shame.
Oh, sometimes invited selections are good, as Mexico and USA, but I think never one won.
Argentina and Uruguay have 15 titles, Brazil 9...and after this it is just a lot of countries with 2 or 1. Brazil have less because we didn't played in a good amount of editions (36 against 41/43 of Argentina and Uruguay) and in old times we send team B in some too. But since become a seriously competion, we are the best with 6 against 4 Uruguay and 3 Argentina.
Using 1991~2021 timeline
Chile won two with the same team in this crazy thing of a lot Copa Americas (2015 and 2016). It had the best generation of its story. Just not did better in World Cup because IT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE CHILE DEFEAT BRAZIL. It is really strange, but don't matter how good is their team, they almost always are defeat by us. I think two or three of last world cups this happens. There is a joke in Brazil that says "if we are in a crisis, it just play against Chile"
Colombia won one, and had three good generations in the period. No live to the expectations.
Uruguay is a little understimate by europeans. Besides do bad in world cups in last times except 2010, they always have competitive times and are seeing as the third force here. We have more respect to them then times as Spain for instance. They won 2 in this time gap.
Brazil won 5, besides we don't care a lot for this competion. It is not that no one wants win this, but no one will be remember for won. World Cup is all that matter.
Argentina won 3. The thing is they pass a huge long time without win anything.
Usually Copa America is: Brazil and Argentina the always favorites. Uruguay as next force. And probably one other South American in a good moment. Sometimes Colombia, more recently Chile. Peru had a good moment too, besides didn't won anything and Paraguay is always a bad team organized.
Ecuator miss the altitute in general and don't anything and Bolivia/Venezuela the eternal bad teams that if you don't won it is a shame.
Oh, sometimes invited selections are good, as Mexico and USA, but I think never one won.
Argentina and Uruguay have 15 titles, Brazil 9...and after this it is just a lot of countries with 2 or 1. Brazil have less because we didn't played in a good amount of editions (36 against 41/43 of Argentina and Uruguay) and in old times we send team B in some too. But since become a seriously competion, we are the best with 6 against 4 Uruguay and 3 Argentina.
It's the nature of sports/competition, there needs to be the best. That's the whole point of sports.
This debate is beautiful. I don't understand people who get annoyed by it.
"Let's all enjoy both of them in perfect harmony, hand-in-hand". I say, GTFO with this bullshit
I get it disagreeing and arguing is fun for many folks
This debate is beautiful. I don't understand people who get annoyed by it.
"Let's all enjoy both of them in perfect harmony, hand-in-hand". I say, GTFO with this bullshit
I get it disagreeing and arguing is fun for many folks
From fbref for entire career comparison, Messi score 474 goals in minutes that represent 467.6 matches, while CR7 get 479 goals with minutes for 546 games
conclusion :
- CR7 get 5 more goals than Messi with 79 more games, so you can decide who is better
- the other interesting fact is that Messi only get 74 attempted penalty kicks , while CR7 get 111 attempted penalty kicks
So this numbers are facts and if people use facts in numbers to measure, manage and decide then we know who is the better one
Ohh if so the debate should be
Messi vs C.Ronaldo vs Crybaby Ronaldo vs Maradona vs Pele
Tough to say who is the reat GOAT but I personally wouldnt put Cristiano in the top 5 list.
I admire others way more than him.
Zidane had an amazing effect on his team.
Platini was incredible.
I heard Cruyff was pretty good.
and yeah I know Zidane said Ronaldo was better than he was but I still think he is wrong.
Messi vs C.Ronaldo vs Crybaby Ronaldo vs Maradona vs Pele
Tough to say who is the reat GOAT but I personally wouldnt put Cristiano in the top 5 list.
I admire others way more than him.
Zidane had an amazing effect on his team.
Platini was incredible.
I heard Cruyff was pretty good.
and yeah I know Zidane said Ronaldo was better than he was but I still think he is wrong.
True. Toxic fans were always there. I have participated in a lot of Del Piero vs Totti debates myself, but now I appreciate both. It will happen with Ronaldo-Messi fanboys too IMO.
After retirement lifeong rivals become friends because they realize they have more in common: Al Pacino & De Niro, Sly & Arnold.
After retirement lifeong rivals become friends because they realize they have more in common: Al Pacino & De Niro, Sly & Arnold.