Maurizio Sarri (88 Viewers)

DS8_Montero

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Aug 10, 2018
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A loser too afraid to believe in his team shitting on everyone, glorious support :tup:
Well, it totally depends on one's point of view. One might equally easy say that losers are those who are afraid of facing the reality as it is, without false hopes. And, by extension, one might add that supporting (encouraging) club's movement in the wrong direction is worse than not supporting it at all.

Almost anything can be done out of courage, out of fear, or without any emotions whatsoever. It depends only on the person's motives, not on other people's interpretations of this person's actions.

In your opinion, what motives to be afraid of believing in the team do some Tuz members have? To be qualified as "afraid" they have to want to believe in the team, but still prefer not to, due to some unbearable consequences it might lead to.

I can understand how people, who disagree with the course the club has taken, can be angry or disappointed. But to be afraid to believe in the team? Why?
 

DAiDEViL

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Feb 21, 2015
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Since you have no tangible impact on whether the team is winning or losing, the only real choice you make is whether to support your team with a loser mentality or not.
Good thing the transition from ultra-winning to loser isn't complete yet.

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A loser too afraid to believe in his team shitting on everyone, glorious support :tup:
As a fan of the club he doesn't want it to go to shit, i take that over a blind follower.
 

The Quazis

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Dec 21, 2012
5,573
You guys have lost the plot completely. Please tell me which version is correct:

a) Agnelli hired Sarri and his staff telling them that he does not really care for winning and that Ronaldo transfer and raise in the capital are just smoke screen to make Juventus lose.

b) Agnelli hired Sarri and his staff telling them that they are expected to raise the level the team plays as they have elite players at their disposal. What is more, Juventus plan to keep investing hence the raise in capital. However, evil Sarri is on a mission to destroy Juventus from the inside and poor Agnelli hasn't realzied that yet.
 

Strickland

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May 17, 2019
5,859
Well, it totally depends on one's point of view. One might equally easy say that losers are those who are afraid of facing the reality as it is, without false hopes. And, by extension, one might add that supporting (encouraging) club's movement in the wrong direction is worse than not supporting it at all.

Almost anything can be done out of courage, out of fear, or without any emotions whatsoever. It depends only on the person's motives, not on other people's interpretations of this person's actions.

In your opinion, what motives to be afraid of believing in the team do some Tuz members have? To be qualified as "afraid" they have to want to believe in the team, but still prefer not to, due to some unbearable consequences it might lead to.

I can understand how people, who disagree with the course the club has taken, can be angry or disappointed. But to be afraid to believe in the team? Why?
Managing expectations, too afraid of the letdown positive hopes can have, therefore expecting the worst. Coward is a bit too strong, I wouldnt use that, but I think fear is involved there.

One thing is to disagree with the course club has taken, another one is giving up on the team while we're split 1st on pace for a 94 point season. False hopes lol.

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Good thing the transition from ultra-winning to loser isn't complete yet.

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As a fan of the club he doesn't want it to go to shit, i take that over a blind follower.
I dont think blind people watch football
 
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DS8_Montero

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Aug 10, 2018
985
Managing expectations, too afraid of the letdown, therefore expecting the worst.
Why would anyone become afraid of the letdown after supporting Juventus for decades? Having witnessed multiple failures in CL finals, Serie B, post-calciopolli years, I struggle with coming up with ideas of anything that could be potentially so devastating that could make so many people on Tuz become afraid of supporting the team.

Are people tired of being disappointed? Probably, yes. But afraid? I don't see any ground for it.

One thing is to disagree with the course club has taken, another one is giving up on the team while we're split 1st on pace for a 94 point season. False hopes lol.
It's not like people gave up on the team at the end of December, right? People became extremely skeptical about this club's future in the spring, and they haven't seen anything convincing enough to change their opinions ever since.

If Juventus were displaying great football, the problems in midfield were solved, etc., and people would still be spiteful, that would be obviously weird. But none of that has happened so far, and no real signs of movement in those directions. Only "just wait" kind of arguments again.

As for 94 pts (and the CL group stage results too) - as far as I can see, that's been taken into account. But people who've been watching football for years know very well that such results at this stage of the season don't mean much. So, yeah, if someone's hopes are based solely on the numbers in the table and ignore all the other factors, they can be false.
 

Strickland

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May 17, 2019
5,859
Why would anyone become afraid of the letdown after supporting Juventus for decades? Having witnessed multiple failures in CL finals, Serie B, post-calciopolli years, I struggle with coming up with ideas of anything that could be potentially so devastating that could make so many people on Tuz become afraid of supporting the team.

Are people tired of being disappointed? Probably, yes. But afraid? I don't see any ground for it.


It's not like people gave up on the team at the end of December, right? People became extremely skeptical about this club's future in the spring, and they haven't seen anything convincing enough to change their opinions ever since.

If Juventus were displaying great football, the problems in midfield were solved, etc., and people would still be spiteful, that would be obviously weird. But none of that has happened so far, and no real signs of movement in those directions. Only "just wait" kind of arguments again.

As for 94 pts (and the CL group stage results too) - as far as I can see, that's been taken into account. But people who've been watching football for years know very well that such results at this stage of the season don't mean much. So, yeah, if someone's hopes are based solely on the numbers in the table and ignore all the other factors, they can be false.
I'd prefer to not switch from the likes of JCK and BAus to a general term like people.

There're fans who're certain we'll win Scudetto and maybe more. There're fans who think we might or might not win Scudetto and CL is impossible. Both are reasonable to me.

And then there're those 2 and a couple others who are certain we'll lose to Inter of all teams. Thats not reasonable, thats FC Misery shit from Apathy Arena
 

s4tch

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Mar 23, 2015
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You guys have lost the plot completely. Please tell me which version is correct:

a) Agnelli hired Sarri and his staff telling them that he does not really care for winning and that Ronaldo transfer and raise in the capital are just smoke screen to make Juventus lose.

b) Agnelli hired Sarri and his staff telling them that they are expected to raise the level the team plays as they have elite players at their disposal. What is more, Juventus plan to keep investing hence the raise in capital. However, evil Sarri is on a mission to destroy Juventus from the inside and poor Agnelli hasn't realzied that yet.
c) agnelli is human after all, and he might have made some mistakes after 9 years of utter perfection in charge.

we (or at least i) don't have answers yet.
 

JCK

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JCK
May 11, 2004
125,388
You guys have lost the plot completely. Please tell me which version is correct:

a) Agnelli hired Sarri and his staff telling them that he does not really care for winning and that Ronaldo transfer and raise in the capital are just smoke screen to make Juventus lose.

b) Agnelli hired Sarri and his staff telling them that they are expected to raise the level the team plays as they have elite players at their disposal. What is more, Juventus plan to keep investing hence the raise in capital. However, evil Sarri is on a mission to destroy Juventus from the inside and poor Agnelli hasn't realzied that yet.
There is a third plot but I am afraid to tell you about it.
 

X Æ A-12

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Contributor
Sep 4, 2006
87,955
"If we dwell on results then we’ll encounter huge difficulties, so we must move on from the final result, which can be a win or a loss like in our last game, and try to make these lads understand that the path to success must be a different one, that you can’t win everything right away.

Unfortunately we inherited an ultra-winning team so it’s not easy to intervene in a distinct away.

“We have to confirm how well our predecessors did, but through an idea. It’s not easy to get results immediately.

“There’s no fixed date, not in a month, two months, five months or eight months, but the lads have shown great availability.

“They’re doing things that they didn’t do before because they couldn’t understand each other well and there have been flashes.”

“We need everyone on the same page and going in the same direction. That's why sometimes it succeeds and sometimes less so.”

:touched:

Let's not intervene pls. @JCK
"unfortunately, we inherited a winning team"

for the love of god...

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Like @Hustini does with the Serie A thread, it would be great if there was a list of all the sad comments that have come from our coaching staff this season.

gems like how nobody could beat Lazio and "unfortunately, we inherited a winning team"

you know, the kind of shit you expect from a del neri or zaccheroni tier manager
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
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"unfortunately, we inherited a winning team"

for the love of god...
one might say that it's only his assistant, but unfortunately that resonates well with that interview sarri gave to vanity fair during the summer. i really hope that the club's winning mentality is a lot stronger than sarri's and his entourage's defeatist mindset.
 

Bianconero81

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Jan 26, 2009
40,177
c) agnelli is human after all, and he might have made some mistakes after 9 years of utter perfection in charge.

we (or at least i) don't have answers yet.
Why are you being reasonable? :p

Also, utter perfection is a stretch. We've been very impressive, but utter perfection would have culminated in 3 CL crowns :D
 

X Æ A-12

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Sep 4, 2006
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one might say that it's only his assistant, but unfortunately that resonates well with that interview sarri gave to vanity fair during the summer. i really hope that the club's winning mentality is a lot stronger than sarri's and his entourage's defeatist mindset.
"its too bad we're good because then there will be high expectations" :sad:

how is someone with that mentality supposed to inspire anyone? anyone? let alone top tier pro athletes competing for the greatest prize in the sport.

imagine Ronaldo saying something like that...
 

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