Maurizio Sarri (36 Viewers)

[lgorTudor]

To be fair to Sarri, he had Allan, Hamsik, Jorginho at Napoli. That was the heart of his Napoli team.

He found our CM weak and decided to never play wide as a consequence. Perfect bum logic

 

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[Lion]

Well we told him here is De Ligt, Demiral, Ramsey, Higuain and Rabiot on top of the already world class squad your sacked predecessor had and we havent seen improvement yet. I dont know if he'd have fared any differently with Salah other than really depend on his individual talent to make something out of nothing the way Dybala, Higuain and Ronaldo are doing for us.

you didn't get my point.

in city, pep had issue with his midfield and fullbacks. his fullbacks were not suited to how he wanted to play football and his midfield was missing on a solid all rounder CM. so in 2016 one of pepe's first signings was gundogan. then in 2017 they signed walker, danilo, mendy, bernanrdo silva and gabriel jesus.

all players the coach wanted. for insane sums of money. of course pepe is going to do well when he gets to spend money on players he wants.

for juve, your comparison is not the same. out of all the players you mentioned, none except ramsey was expected to start. and we have seen how well that has gone. therefore the coach is currently making best out of players at his disposal. when you say you have not seen any improvment yet, i ask you to check the performance of dybala, higuain de ligt and cuadrado and sandro. they have all impvored the squad with ther performances. thats thanks to the coach.

no one gives cares about rabiot and demiral. these were brought as bench players and you know it.

 

[Hist]

To be fair to Sarri, he had Allan, Hamsik, Jorginho at Napoli. That was the heart of his Napoli team.

Here, Paratici provided him an injury prone Ramsey and an underplayed Rabiot to fix our midfield problems. A midfield consisting of washed up has beens like Khedira and Matuidi and no-hopers like Can.

If Bentancur hadn't stepped up, our midfield would be in an even bigger mess then it is now.

I dont know if Allan or Jorginho are much better than what we have. He found a way to make that Napoli squad tick. He failed to replicate that at Chelsea where he had Jorginho and Kante (the best at what he does) to the same effectiveness but it was good enough to finish top 4 in terms of results. We barely saw Sarriball there though. Now we are seeing even less of Sarriball.

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you didn't get my point.

in city, pep had issue with his midfield and fullbacks. his fullbacks were not suited to how he wanted to play football and his midfield was missing on a solid all rounder CM. so in 2016 one of pepe's first signings was gundogan. then in 2017 they signed walker, danilo, mendy, bernanrdo silva and gabriel jesus.

all players the coach wanted. for insane sums of money. of course pepe is going to do well when he gets to spend money on players he wants.

for juve, your comparison is not the same. out of all the players you mentioned, none except ramsey was expected to start. and we have seen how well that has gone. therefore the coach is currently making best out of players at his disposal. when you say you have not seen any improvment yet, i ask you to check the performance of dybala, higuain de ligt and cuadrado and sandro. they have all impvored the squad with ther performances. thats thanks to the coach.

no one gives cares about rabiot and demiral. these were brought as bench players and you know it.

Dude Allegri was sacked because he didnt bring enough out of this group of players. Now we have an even better group and the performance is the same. Its true Pep received amazing backing from City but that standard is insanely high. City go above and beyond compared to every other club and with Pep they went balls out and gave him 2 squads.

That cannot be the minimum expectation from a club's management for the coach to be successful. Thats not what Liverpool did with Klopp, or ATM did with Simeone or Juve did with Conte and Allegri etc..

 

[edgardavids2608]

I dont know if Allan or Jorginho are much better than what we have. He found a way to make that Napoli squad tick. He failed to replicate that at Chelsea where he had Jorginho and Kante (the best at what he does) to the same effectiveness but it was good enough to finish top 4 in terms of results. We barely saw Sarriball there though. Now we are seeing even less of Sarriball.

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Dude Allegri was sacked because he didnt bring enough out of this group of players. Now we have an even better group and the performance is the same. Its true Pep received amazing backing from City but that standard is insanely high. City go above and beyond compared to every other club and with Pep they went balls out and gave him 2 squads.

That cannot be the minimum expectation from a club's management for the coach to be successful. Thats not what Liverpool did with Klopp, or ATM did with Simeone or Juve did with Conte and Allegri etc..

The expectation is win the league and compete for CL. We are doing both so whats your issue? At the end of the season we can make an assesment

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Do we want results first and then "good" soccer or the opposite? Because we will not get results changing quickly. We have a new cb and rb. New coach and our captain and many players are injured or new. We have time before next CL game to experiment a bit and we have seen that happening already. He will give it a good go to find balance

 

[Hist]

The expectation is win the league and compete for CL. We are doing both so whats your issue? At the end of the season we can make an assesment

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Do we want results first and then "good" soccer or the opposite? Because we will not get results changing quickly. We have a new cb and rb. New coach and our captain and many players are injured or new. We have time before next CL game to experiment a bit and we have seen that happening already. He will give it a good go to find balance

We want both. We are doing okay on the results level but the performances themselves have been horrid. Things can change with time ofc.

 

[Arcticdaly]

The expectation is win the league and compete for CL. We are doing both so whats your issue? At the end of the season we can make an assesment

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Do we want results first and then "good" soccer or the opposite? Because we will not get results changing quickly. We have a new cb and rb. New coach and our captain and many players are injured or new. We have time before next CL game to experiment a bit and we have seen that happening already. He will give it a good go to find balance

Sarri wasnt hired to scrap results tho he has was hired to bring better football to the team and get more out the front 3 especially Ronaldo and he has failed to do that by a land slide level.

 

[Snobist]

Sarri wasnt hired to scrap results tho he has was hired to bring better football to the team and get more out the front 3 especially Ronaldo and he has failed to do that by a land slide level.

I guess they know you can't do that in 4 months. It will take time.

 

[edgardavids2608]

Sarri wasnt hired to scrap results tho he has was hired to bring better football to the team and get more out the front 3 especially Ronaldo and he has failed to do that by a land slide level.

Dybala playing much better
Ronaldo scored in his last 6 games
Higuain playing good.
Tons of injuries and new players getting involved.
I agree it needs to be better but lets not act like this is some dumpster fire thats not being sorted out.
Tactics are pretty crap right now due to injuries of some key players IMO. Costa and Ramsey being out really hurts. Main complaint ive seen on here is Bernadeschi is bad and his link up play hurts us and that we are unorganized in the back.
So our 2 biggest issues are
1. Our captain tore his ACL
2. Our AMs are both out and forced to play our 3rd string in that position

Positives.
1. Dybala,Pjanic,Bentancur, Cuads all looking better under him
2. Our passing has improved but not crisp enough yet in the final 3rd
3. Our new players are starting to make big impacts(Demiral,MDL,Higuain,Rabiot) as well as Ronaldo hitting form

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Sarri wasnt hired to scrap results tho he has was hired to bring better football to the team and get more out the front 3 especially Ronaldo and he has failed to do that by a land slide level.

Dybala playing much better
Ronaldo scored in his last 6 games
Higuain playing good.
Tons of injuries and new players getting involved.
I agree it needs to be better but lets not act like this is some dumpster fire thats not being sorted out.
Tactics are pretty crap right now due to injuries of some key players IMO. Costa and Ramsey being out really hurts. Main complaint ive seen on here is Bernadeschi is bad and his link up play hurts us and that we are unorganized in the back.
So our 2 biggest issues are
1. Our captain tore his ACL
2. Our AMs are both out and forced to play our 3rd string in that position

Positives.
1. Dybala,Pjanic,Bentancur, Cuads all looking better under him
2. Our passing has improved but not crisp enough yet in the final 3rd
3. Our new players are starting to make big impacts(Demiral,MDL,Higuain,Rabiot) as well as Ronaldo hitting form

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Sarri wasnt hired to scrap results tho he has was hired to bring better football to the team and get more out the front 3 especially Ronaldo and he has failed to do that by a land slide level.

Landslide level? Ronaldo scoring in his last 6 games and Dybala and Higuain have both been better. Especially Dybala

 

[Post Ironic]

Higuain hasn’t been better than he was under Max. Not even close.

He’s been better than he was last year at garbage Milan, and at mediocre Chelsea. That’s it.

Pjanic started this year on fire (just like the past two seasons), got a little injury several weeks ago and has looked burnt out and in poor form since.

Cuads was injured all last year so hardly a good comparison, but he’s not anywhere close to the heights he was at here in 16-17.

And Ronaldo has a goal or assist / 135 minutes, when he was at a goal Or assist / 93 minutes last year. A landslide worse.

Dybala, Bonucci, and Bentancur are the three players who look indisputably better this year. And Sarri deserves praise for that. He also deserves praise for the results so far.

On the other hand some criticism is merited for our anemic attack and porous Defense. We have scored less, conceded almost double, and have been scraping results worse than everything but the worst of Allegri’s time here.

Anyways, jury is still out, there are promising signs, but also worrying signs, most recently getting embarrassed twice in two weeks by Lazio, seemingly having learnt nothing after the first loss. Thankfully we drew a shit Lyon for the Rof16 so Sarri will have until March to get this team firing on all cylinders. Hopefully he does.

 

[pavluska]

June 10:

"Don't blame him. He'll be a new man under Sarri (if he stays; and won't be WC but actually good and useful). Quick, short passing is the one thing he's good at in regista role."

- Yours truly

https://www.juventuz.com/threads/l-...nza-voi-chentrate.43995/page-182#post-5982720

Spot on as usual. Much to the chagrin of the 100m Pjanic degenerates.

 

[Karim30]

He will blame what happened on the trio and will never start them together in a big game while he should blame himself for starting De Sciglio and Matuidi and for how narrow we played for 90 minutes while he should’ve adjusted in the second half to counter Inzaghi’s excellent tactics by introducing Rabiot and Cuadrado earlier

 

[Afghan_juventus]

Honestly I was always against starting DybHigRon. Against the smaller teams it can work; however, against the physical bigger teams Dybala just doesn't have the strength or technical ability to retain the ball while dribbling the ball in from a deeper position. I far prefer starting Costa in the hole (Berna if we have to) and bringing on one of Higgy or Dybala as the game progresses.

 

[edgardavids2608]

Honestly I was always against starting DybHigRon. Against the smaller teams it can work; however, against the physical bigger teams Dybala just doesn't have the strength or technical ability to retain the ball while dribbling the ball in from a deeper position. I far prefer starting Costa in the hole (Berna if we have to) and bringing on one of Higgy or Dybala as the game progresses.

The only way I see playing the front 3 in big games is if we can have 60% possesion minimum

 

[JCK]

The team keeps on screaming 3 at the back but will he ever admit it and try it? I think I know the answer.

 

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[Strickland]

The team keeps on screaming 3 at the back but will he ever admit it and try it? I think I know the answer.

Whats the added value of 3 at the back, fullbacks pushed a bit more forward?

3 at the back puts on an extra CB thats not gonna contribute with much running or meaningful passing, two fundamentals in Sarris philosophy. If we aim to play proactive, high pressing footie with lots of smart posession, I dont think 3 at the back is the way to go.

On a side note, disgusting interview by Sarris assistant today, completely different from the message Sarri gave in his first presser.

 

[DAiDEViL]

On a side note, disgusting interview by Sarris assistant today, completely different from the message Sarri gave in his first presser.

"If we dwell on results then we’ll encounter huge difficulties, so we must move on from the final result, which can be a win or a loss like in our last game, and try to make these lads understand that the path to success must be a different one, that you can’t win everything right away.

“Unfortunately we inherited an ultra-winning team so it’s not easy to intervene in a distinct away.

“We have to confirm how well our predecessors did, but through an idea. It’s not easy to get results immediately.

“There’s no fixed date, not in a month, two months, five months or eight months, but the lads have shown great availability.

“They’re doing things that they didn’t do before because they couldn’t understand each other well and there have been flashes.”

“We need everyone on the same page and going in the same direction. That's why sometimes it succeeds and sometimes less so.”



Let's not intervene pls. @JCK

 

[Strickland]

I dont want them to do a Hamsik or Nainggolan and come out and say "this is our year", but saying that you can't win everything at a club like Juventus? Bitch pls

 

[.zero]

"If we dwell on results then we’ll encounter huge difficulties, so we must move on from the final result, which can be a win or a loss like in our last game, and try to make these lads understand that the path to success must be a different one, that you can’t win everything right away.

“Unfortunately we inherited an ultra-winning team so it’s not easy to intervene in a distinct away.

“We have to confirm how well our predecessors did, but through an idea. It’s not easy to get results immediately.

“There’s no fixed date, not in a month, two months, five months or eight months, but the lads have shown great availability.

“They’re doing things that they didn’t do before because they couldn’t understand each other well and there have been flashes.”

“We need everyone on the same page and going in the same direction. That's why sometimes it succeeds and sometimes less so.”



Let's not intervene pls. @JCK

That directly conflicts with Boniperti’s quote

Unless that’s just marketing lingo that we always suspected to be

 

[The Quazis]

"If we dwell on results then we’ll encounter huge difficulties, so we must move on from the final result, which can be a win or a loss like in our last game, and try to make these lads understand that the path to success must be a different one, that you can’t win everything right away.

“Unfortunately we inherited an ultra-winning team so it’s not easy to intervene in a distinct away.

“We have to confirm how well our predecessors did, but through an idea. It’s not easy to get results immediately.

“There’s no fixed date, not in a month, two months, five months or eight months, but the lads have shown great availability.

“They’re doing things that they didn’t do before because they couldn’t understand each other well and there have been flashes.”

“We need everyone on the same page and going in the same direction. That's why sometimes it succeeds and sometimes less so.”



Let's not intervene pls. @JCK

Obviously he referred to winning every single game, not winning at the end of the season. Basing on the opinions here, that's the expectation – win every single game by three goal margin. Obviously it's not possible because Juve is not playing against amateurs but other professionals and you just can't win every game. Just look at other top teams, each of them struggled this season. Including Liverpool who lost to Napoli and drew with United.