Matthijs de Ligt (97 Viewers)

[Quetzalcoatl]

Our backline minus MDL: Cuads, Danilo, MDS, Bonucci, Chiellini, Rugani, AS, Pellegrini

Wow.

We will need at least 3 big signings there: 2 CB and one LB.

 

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It is another insanity to sell De Ligt, even for 100M. He is the future of our defense. Real offered more then 150M for Mbappe with one year on his contract and no competition from rivals for his signature.

Unless we can find 2 more WC defenders on a free or some youngster here turns to be the next Scirea, we need to be forced at gunpoint to sell De Ligt. Nevermind the FM calculations how we would multiply those 100M, by making shrewd acquisitions... Reality couldn't be further from that.

Whatever 'rebuild' we would have to undergo, any year we are not in the CL would be a monumental loss. There is a reason our management plays the dud's game and we have neither here, nor there quality wise players in our roaster. The bet hedges on them turning it up, but most of them are here just because they have never done that in the first place.

 

[Xperd]

Our backline minus MDL: Cuads, Danilo, MDS, Bonucci, Chiellini, Rugani, AS, Pellegrini

Wow.

We will need at least 3 big signings there: 2 CB and one LB.

The investment on 33 year old Ronaldo has turned this club upside down. All those dreams about taking the club to the next level commercially is all but quashed.

We went from Bayern model to Milan model in the space of 3 years and it's only going to get worse from here especially in light of the recent investigations.

How Agnelli and Nedved are still retaining their positions at this club is beyond me. Inexplicable.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

It is another insanity to sell De Ligt, even for 100M. He is the future of our defense. Real offered more then 150M for Mbappe with one year on his contract and no competition from rivals for his signature.

Unless we can find 2 more WC defenders on a free or some youngster here turns to be the next Scirea, we need to be forced at gunpoint to sell De Ligt. Nevermind the FM calculations how we would multiply those 100M, by making shrewd acquisitions... Reality couldn't be further from that.

Whatever 'rebuild' we would have to undergo, any year we are not in the CL would be a monumental loss. There is a reason our management plays the dud's game and we have neither here, nor there quality wise players in our roaster. The bet hedges on them turning it up, but most of them are here just because they have never done that in the first place.

Yup. 100M sounds good on paper, but I'm not confident the reality will be so nice.

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The investment on 33 year old Ronaldo has turned this club upside down. All those dreams about taking the club to the next level commercially is all but quashed.

We went from Bayern model to Milan model in the space of 3 years and it's only going to get worse from here especially in light of the recent investigations.

How Agnelli and Nedved are still retaining their positions at this club is beyond me. Inexplicable.

Man your posts are always too pessimistic

I'm hoping heads roll by this summer and we use some of the capital injection to improve the team.

 

[s4tch]

The investment on 33 year old Ronaldo has turned this club upside down.

midfield investments did much, much more damage. we spent insane amount of money on midfielders since cr arrived...

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Wouldn't blame him? He's been a bust so far.

There was 0 chance that he would ever possibly live up to that price tag and salary, that was clear from the outset.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Should have gotten Arry when we had the chance.

 

[Strickland]

midfield investments did much, much more damage. we spent insane amount of money on midfielders since cr arrived...

Transfer fees: 12m+Mire on Arthur, 23m on McKennie, 0 on Rabiot and Ramsey, 40m on Locatelli. 65m+Mire combined.
Combined salaries: ~25m / year with tax reductions for all apart from Loca.
Thats still a lot less money than we spent on a single Ronaldo.

 

[s4tch]

Transfer fees: 12m+Mire on Arthur, 23m on McKennie, 0 on Rabiot and Ramsey, 40m on Locatelli. 65m+Mire combined.
Combined salaries: ~25m / year with tax reductions for all apart from Loca.
Thats still a lot less money than we spent on a single Ronaldo.

there's no such thing as 12m+mire. how many times it has to be said, arthur is a +70m player. also, there's some mids you forgot, like emre can, rovella, mandragora, and prolly some more i forget. salaries are also a lot more than 25m unfortunately, and there are those agent fees that many of us ignore. ramsey and rabiot alone cost us more than 25m per season. and loca is on a free loan currently

ronaldo scored a shitload of goals. he wasn't cheap by any means, but at least he performed, unlike the majority of those mids we're talking about. in fact locatelli is the only one who didn't disappoint so far at all. even mckennie had some terrible months due to injury and pure idiotism, and he's probably the least disappointing of the rest.

imagine if two of those other players were on locatelli's level.

 

[Strickland]

there's no such thing as 12m+mire. how many times it has to be said, arthur is a +70m player. also, there's some mids you forgot, like emre can, rovella, mandragora, and prolly some more i forget. salaries are also a lot more than 25m unfortunately, and there are those agent fees that many of us ignore. ramsey and rabiot alone cost us more than 25m per season. and loca is on a free loan currently

ronaldo scored a shitload of goals. he wasn't cheap by any means, but at least he performed, unlike the majority of those mids we're talking about. in fact locatelli is the only one who didn't disappoint so far at all. even mckennie had some terrible months due to injury and pure idiotism, and he's probably the least disappointing of the rest.

imagine if two of those other players were on locatelli's level.

We dont purchase Arthur unless Barca purchase Pjanic, no idea why you think those two deals are not linked, obviously both prices are inflated, neither Arthur is a 70m+ nor Pjanic is a 60m+ player. On paper for accounting purposes they might be separate, but apart from that just about everyone agrees that theyre linked.

I fully agree that Ramsey and Rabiot have been fucking tragic transfers, however we still invest way more heavily on attackers than mids.

 

[s4tch]

We dont purchase Arthur unless Barca purchase Pjanic, no idea why you think those two deals are not linked, obviously both prices are inflated, neither Arthur is a 70m+ nor Pjanic is a 60m+ player. On paper for accounting purposes they might be separate, but apart from that just about everyone agrees that theyre linked.

no pls, not again

i never said they aren't linked. but you're talking cash flow and the cause of the transfers (which are irrelevant), and i'm talking actual costs.

let me put it simply. arthur signed for 5 years, right? i suppose you get the idea of amortization, so i don't have to explain that. you also get the idea of net and gross wages, plus the favorable tax rules for foreigners, so i don't have to explain that either. now, if you think that arthur = mire + 12m, then arthur should cost us mire's yearly cost + 12/5 per season if you consider only their amortization, right? here's the deal: the yearly amortization of mire was slightly below 4m, while arthur's is 15.2. the yearly additional cost is more than 11m in amortization.

i repeat, the yearly additional amortization is above 11m. we are saving some on the wages because pjanic earned 6.5m net (~11m gross without the tax benefit) while arthur gets 5m net (~6.5m gross), still, the overall yearly costs are 15.3m (pjanic) vs 21.8m (arthur). that's a diff of 6.5m per season, 32.5m over 5 years if arthur stays until the end of his contract. and since he can't be sold at his book value, we can be prepared for a massive minusvalenza too.

arthur is a +70m player, just look at our books man. everybody knows why and how it happened, still, it's a fact. he costs us 21.8m per season (plus bonuses), that's not even up for debate or interpretation.

 

[Bianconero81]

no pls, not again

i never said they aren't linked. but you're talking cash flow and the cause of the transfers (which are irrelevant), and i'm talking actual costs.

I admire your patience and resilience Bro.

 

[Strickland]

no pls, not again

i never said they aren't linked. but you're talking cash flow and the cause of the transfers (which are irrelevant), and i'm talking actual costs.

let me put it simply. arthur signed for 5 years, right? i suppose you get the idea of amortization, so i don't have to explain that. you also get the idea of net and gross wages, plus the favorable tax rules for foreigners, so i don't have to explain that either. now, if you think that arthur = mire + 12m, then arthur should cost us mire's yearly cost + 12/5 per season if you consider only their amortization, right? here's the deal: the yearly amortization of mire was slightly below 4m, while arthur's is 15.2. the yearly additional cost is more than 11m in amortization.

i repeat, the yearly additional amortization is above 11m. we are saving some on the wages because pjanic earned 6.5m net (~11m gross without the tax benefit) while arthur gets 5m net (~6.5m gross), still, the overall yearly costs are 15.3m (pjanic) vs 21.8m (arthur). that's a diff of 6.5m per season, 32.5m over 5 years if arthur stays until the end of his contract. and since he can't be sold at his book value, we can be prepared for a massive minusvalenza too.

arthur is a +70m player, just look at our books man. everybody knows why and how it happened, still, it's a fact. he costs us 21.8m per season (plus bonuses), that's not even up for debate or interpretation.

On our books Arthur is a 70m+ player and I agree on all the minusvalenza risks and the high ammortization.

However even the most gullible persons would agree that Juve agreed to a massively inflated Arthur price because Barca agreed to a massively inflated Pjanic price, making the two transfers a swap in every sense of the word apart from the bookkeeping. We only agreed to pay 72m for Arthur because we knew wed get 60m back for Pjanic, which makes it a 12m+Pjanič for Arthur.

 

[Siamak]

Raiola': de Ligt? He was very close to joining Munich, we had great discussions, too bad though it didn't amount to anything."

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[Cerval]

He's stirring shit.

 

[duranfj]

Raiola': de Ligt? He was very close to joining Munich, we had great discussions, too bad though it didn't amount to anything."

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Wait until next season without Paulo, Berna and been playing in serie B after relegation; then he'll truly regret it

 

[GordoDeCentral]

If he brings in the dough, im all for it

 

[LiquidPLP]

If he brings in the dough, im all for it

Yeah, understandable where you are coming from but without him our defense is two legends-but-grandpas-already and an ever-shy Rugani who is afraid of his own shadow.

There are no interesting CBs on the market I'd say. Especially Italians, I'd take only Bastoni and maybe Acerbi. The pool is empty.

 

[The Quazis]

Bayern can go for Demiral.

 

[juve123]

Yeah, understandable where you are coming from but without him our defense is two legends-but-grandpas-already and an ever-shy Rugani who is afraid of his own shadow.

There are no interesting CBs on the market I'd say. Especially Italians, I'd take only Bastoni and maybe Acerbi. The pool is empty.

Any offer above 100 million euros and he is gone with Chelsea most likely to be after him