Matthijs de Ligt (43 Viewers)

[Elvin]

I say current Juve has the same appeal as current Real.

Agree to disagree.

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Vinicius, Danilo at the time... And as if we would've said no to Hazard if he considered joining juve. Zidane as a coach and so on.

We never bought anyone from Real Madrid who they really wanted to keep.

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Juve have NEVER been the Galacticos. They always bought Italian or more unknown players with only a few exceptions out there. Galacticos were all about buying every shiny international toy out there.

Capello's Juve squad was getting pretty fuckin close to a Galactico (just look at the names).
And we were the 3rd richest club with by far the most lucrative shirt sponsor at the time (Tamoil).
Like I said, Calciopoli fucked us big time.

 

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[JuveJay]

Stop deluding yourself

I'll say this much - we were becoming an absolute monster by 2006. Didn't show in Europe mostly due to Capello's style but the signings we were making were high profile and the club was extremely attractive. Vieira might have been on the downward slope but he was a massive coup, to take the captain from a leading PL team. We were taking top players left and right from the best other clubs in Serie A, at a time when the league was still very strong.

This also happened in 2006: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/how-murdered-john-kinsella-helped-15652215 And I have it on fairly good knowledge that there was a serious probability of Gerrard coming the following season, Moggi and Capello were obsessed with him, and he wanted out of Liverpool at the time due to threats. Roy Keane was another who almost came but ended up elsewhere after falling out with SAF.

This was also the summer where Ronaldo was perceived to get Rooney sent off at WC 2006, and Ronaldo felt let down by not being backed by Man Utd. He was looking around for another team, and we were at the top of the list having almost signed him in 2003.

The other thing, if you look at the Deloitte Money League for 2005/06 figures, it reads like this:

Real Madrid €292m
Barcelona €259m
Juventus €251m

Only the Spanish two had more, we had a bigger turnover than any Premier League team, before the decline of Serie A accelerated by Calciopoli, and the advent of their mega tv deals.

Look at us now, we just scrape top 10, and generate €380m less than the #1 team. Calciopoli was a serious kick in the teeth.

That said, with Ronaldo playing alongside Gerrard, Nedved, Buffon et al we would have still failed to win the CL

 

[Elvin]

I'll say this must - we were becoming an absolute monster by 2006. Didn't show in Europe mostly due to Capello's style but the signings we were making were high profile and the club was extremely attractive. Vieira might have been on the downward slope but he was a massive coup, to take the captain from a leading PL team. We were taking top players left and right from the best other clubs in Serie A, at a time when the league was still very strong.

This also happened in 2006: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/how-murdered-john-kinsella-helped-15652215 And I have it on fairly good knowledge that there was a serious probability of Gerrard coming the following season, Moggi and Capello were obsessed with him, and he wanted out of Liverpool at the time due to threats. Roy Keane was another who almost came but ended up elsewhere after falling out with SAF.

This was also the summer where Ronaldo was perceived to get Rooney sent off at WC 2006, and Ronaldo felt let down by not being backed by Man Utd. He was looking around for another team, and we were at the top of the list having almost signed him in 2003.

The other thing, if you look at the Deloitte Money League for 2005/06 figures, it reads like this:

Real Madrid €292m
Barcelona €259m
Juventus €251m

Only the Spanish two had more, we had a bigger turnover than any Premier League team, before the decline of Serie A accelerated by Calciopoli, and the advent of their mega tv deals.

Look at us now, we just scrape top 10, and generate €380m less than the #1 team. Calciopoli was a serious kick in the teeth.

That said, with Ronaldo playing alongside Gerrard, Nedved, Buffon et al we would have still failed to win the CL

Italians' hatred of Juventus have cost them their league and perhaps even their entire fuckin economy.

This blows my mind every time I think about it.

 

[campionesidd]

Yes, you are.

Historically, we are 11 CL titles away from Real. These are facts.

That's like a Zamalek supporter saying they're historically not inferior to Al Ahly in Egypt.

We aren't talking about CL titles here, we're talking about which club is more attractive for a player to join. If CL titles was a criterion, Nottingham Forest would be a more attractive option than Manchester City, Chelsea or PSG.

 

[Cerval]

We aren't talking about CL titles here, we're talking about which club is more attractive for a player to join. If CL titles was a criterion, Nottingham Forest would be a more attractive option than Manchester City, Chelsea or PSG.

But for clubs of similar levels history is more attractive.

 

[campionesidd]

But for clubs of similar levels history is more attractive.

I think for most professional players, only two things matter:
1) How much are they getting paid
2) How likely are they to win silverware

 

[LiquidPLP]

I think for most professional players, only two things matter:
1) How much are they getting paid
2) How likely are they to win silverware

+ how much they're going to play.

 

[Elvin]

We aren't talking about CL titles here, we're talking about which club is more attractive for a player to join. If CL titles was a criterion, Nottingham Forest would be a more attractive option than Manchester City, Chelsea or PSG.

Not to mention everyone would be lining up to join Milan these past 10 years, but in reality every decent player avoided that club like a plague.

 

[JuveJay]

Yes, you are.

Historically, we are 11 CL titles away from Real. These are facts.

That's like a Zamalek supporter saying they're historically not inferior to Al Ahly in Egypt.

Real Madrid's total of 13 "Champions League" titles is skewed by winning the first 5 European Cups when it was a competition in its infancy. They made the final 8 times in those first 11 years. Yes, they had a great team then, but it was some years before other leading European clubs really caught on with the prestige of the competition. I remember reading in John Charles' autobiography that it seemed like something of a novelty at first and Serie A was the big prize, even the Coppa Italia was very prestigious, but once they saw the attention gathered by claiming to be the best in Europe, by the late 50s it was taken a lot more seriously by Italian and British teams.

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So what they do well is win in bunches when they put a great team together. Even still, they'd be the leading team by at least a couple, but Milan, Liverpool, and Bayern would all be there or thereabouts. Along with Ajax, these are all teams who have won tournaments bunched together at one period or another. We had two chances to do that in our history - in the early 80s and in the mid to late 90s, but we failed both times. Otherwise we'd be around thoe similar numbers on 5 or 6. Maybe dot one around like in 2003. Essentially we've lost 7 out of 9 finals, it tells its own story, history is about taking your chances.

I'm sure a modern player really thinks about those 6 titles that Real Madrid won before England last won the World Cup and decide their move based on that, but sure, Real Madrid can legitimately claim to be the biggest club in the world because they can put a bigger number on their shirt sleeves than anyone else.

 

[Bianconero81]

We aren't talking about CL titles here, we're talking about which club is more attractive for a player to join. If CL titles was a criterion, Nottingham Forest would be a more attractive option than Manchester City, Chelsea or PSG.

Real Madrid is a more attractive club to join for a player. This has been the case for the past 15-20 years. Perhaps there was a window, maybe in 95-99, when we were more appealing, but especially for South American players, Madrid is the more appealing option.

More likely to win the CL? Real Madrid.

Salary? Real Madird, although we've been paying well in recent seasons.

More likely to play? There's competition at both clubs, so it depends on many factors.

 

[campionesidd]

Real Madrid is a more attractive club to join for a player. This has been the case for the past 15-20 years. Perhaps there was a window, maybe in 95-99, when we were more appealing, but especially for South American players, Madrid is the more appealing option.

More likely to win the CL? Real Madrid.

Salary? Real Madird, although we've been paying well in recent seasons.

More likely to play? There's competition at both clubs, so it depends on many factors.

I don't Real Madrid has been more likely to win the CL since Ronaldo left them.
Real are no longer the super-desirable club they used to be.

 

[Xperd]

I don't think historical context matters here as it's a case of what could've been.

We are talking about the present. Just because Madrid are having a few rough seasons, that doesn't make them any less appealing to any other club in the world. They're still frontrunners to sign the best young player in the world - Mbappe. They won La Liga last year and could possibly win it this year too.

They've built their reputation and appeal through years of success both domestically and in Europe so writing them off because they're not at their usual standard currently is sheer stupidity.

We have Ronaldo and that's the only factor that pushes our appeal right now a little bit but that's about it. We neither make as much money as them nor do we play in a league that has very good appeal and our results in Europe for the past few seasons has been pretty mediocre.

So yeah, stop deluding yourselves. We're not at that stage where we can compare ourselves with the Bayern's and Madrid's of the world as of yet and please don't be surprised if De Ligt chooses to play in a more 'attractive league' in a couple of years time.

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Not to mention everyone would be lining up to join Milan these past 10 years, but in reality every decent player avoided that club like a plague.

You went full retard comparing this Real Madrid to fucking Milan.

 

[Fab Fragment]

Is he ok? Why was he subbed?

 

[s4tch]

Is he ok? Why was he subbed?

i didn't read anything about an injury, it was probably a tactical sub, and it's always nice to give dragusin some minutes.

 

[piotrr]

SWA

@Carlos Primera

 

[Niku]

Has been very good.

 

[Juve_fanatic]

SWA

@Carlos Primera

How he is man-handling Zapata is the best indicator of how shit of a defender Bonucci is. You just know that in those duels De Ligt had with Zapata, Bonucci would have just turned his ass around and wait for Zapata to penetrate inside od him

 

[campionesidd]

Beast.

 

[Pegi]

Best CB in the world.

 

[HelterSkelter]

Without him this defense would be varying degrees of Boumsong.