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Jan 22, 2016
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:disagree: You don't understand real football. Football is all about goals and the capocannoniere title, who cares about actually winning games and :juventus:.
I'm sure you pro Allegri's won't care about that bold part. The guy got his ass beaten by minors like Ajax and Atalanta and play the worst kind of football ever and still lick his ass and gets triggered every time someone pointing out his weaknesses. :baus:
 

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s4tch

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Mar 23, 2015
33,661
See the bigger picture.
you're missing your point completely: football is a team sport, so the bigger picture is the scudetto.

but if you're right, simone inzaghi >>> allegri because leiva has more tackles than emre can. gasperini and even igor tudor >>> allegri, because gomez and de paul have more key passes than pjanic. or who knows, maybe de zerbi >>> everyone else, because boga has more dribbles than anyone else. let's blame/award the coach for individual stats. you just have to pick the right stat to back your agenda :baus:
 
Jan 22, 2016
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you're missing your point completely: football is a team sport, so the bigger picture is the scudetto.

but if you're right, simone inzaghi >>> allegri because leiva has more tackles than emre can. gasperini and even igor tudor >>> allegri, because gomez and de paul have more key passes than pjanic. or who knows, maybe de zerbi >>> everyone else, because boga has more dribbles than anyone else. let's blame/award the coach for individual stats. you just have to pick the right stat to back your agenda :baus:
Scoring goals are directly depending on coaches and his tactics. That's why Pep and Klopp's players and teams scores the most goals.

We are fifth in terms of most shots in serie a. That tells you everything you want to know.

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And my point is when your team isn't good enough to score more goals in this awful league, how do you expect this team to out score it's strong oppositions in CL?
 
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s4tch

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Mar 23, 2015
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Scoring goals are directly depending on coaches and his tactics. That's why Pep and Klopp's players and teams scores the most goals.

We are fifth in terms of most shots in serie a. That tells you everything you want to know.
you sound exactly like napoli who are proud of their 3 players over double figures, or galliani with his "last scudetto before juve started winning" scudetto.
 

s4tch

Senior Member
Mar 23, 2015
33,661
If this kind of answering to our glaring weaknesses makes you feel better , let it be.
you keep talking only about our weaknesses.

also, being 3rd (not 5th like you stated) in most shots is not a weakness. scoring the 2nd most goals is not a weakness either. having the best defense, the best goal difference are not weaknesses. winning the title in january isn't definitely a weakness either.

if you want to push your broken record agenda, please consider the following instead: not being sharp for the ajax return game or having 10+ injured players for key matches is certainly a weakness/mistake that has to be addressed. but ronaldo not being capocannoniere or city scoring 10 goals against 3rd division cup opponents are irrelevant.
 
Jan 22, 2016
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you keep talking only about our weaknesses.

also, being 3rd (not 5th like you stated) in most shots is not a weakness. scoring the 2nd most goals is not a weakness either. having the best defense, the best goal difference are not weaknesses. winning the title in january isn't definitely a weakness either.

if you want to push your broken record agenda, please consider the following instead: not being sharp for the ajax return game or having 10+ injured players for key matches is certainly a weakness/mistake that has to be addressed. but ronaldo not being capocannoniere or city scoring 10 goals against 3rd division cup opponents are irrelevant.
Even with our best players available the quality of our football hasn't been better.

When you don't have any real plan to create chances and attack the opposition team with different tactics and pattern you have to settle down with the GOAT not becoming the best goal scorer.


Our only plan to attack is pass it to the fullbacks and hoof the ball to forwards and pray something happens eventually. That would only take you as far as getting eliminated by Atlanta and Ajax.

We have obvious scoring problems, that's why we couldn't turn the tie against Ajax despite having 25 minutes to do something.


I don't have anything against Max but unfortunately can't find any light down the tunnel. His players are always injured or out of form.

Buy him the best CMs in the world, how that WC midfielder is gonna help us when he is out injured or completely out of form?

And there is motivational problems too. We only have desire for one goal and then try to protect the lead.

And his relationship with his players , players arguing with him left and right on the pitch and off.

At Milan He made Pirlo a broken player that has been finished and ready to retire. And now doing the same thing with Dybala and others.

He lost the title to Conte in his first season, and what was his tactics that year? Just pass it to Zlatan and hope he does something with it.

Fortunately we didn't have any real rivals these past few years in the league. Who knows, he could have lost it again
 

Pirlo's Beard

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Oct 2, 2013
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The whole defending a narrow lead in the era of 2 and 3 goal comebacks being the norm is fucking infuriating. It doesn't work against CL elite. It doesn't fucking work!

Even against the worst united team in fuck knows how many decades we tried bringing on ancient barzagli to protect a lead at home against fucking shit Europa League tier players. That shit needs to stop.

Allegri deserves a good club, he's done well but for me we peaked in 2015 and now we're at a point where we play unwatchable shit football and our game plan is literally a carbon copy of the old infamous Stoke team or Moyes Utd. If it isn't a cross, we are clueless in attack.

We need a change. Partly it's our shit midfield and chiellini dependence. Partly it's clearly Allegri. You can't tell me the Ajax and Spurs squad should be consistently playing much better football in Europe than ours all season long.

We need to kill games off, Allegri would rather play if safe but ironically in these big games it's anything but safe.
 

dolph

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Mar 30, 2006
2,599
We actually played pretty well, tactically speaking, in this match... Real scored first against the run of play, and then Chiellini and Buffon shared a massive brainfart which allowed Real the second goal, and Dybala stupidly got himself sent off and that's all she wrote. It was a comedy of individuals errors from the team in that match, while on the whole, the gameplay was decent.

And Spurs, even though they dominated possession and play, we created far more clearcut chances than they did... and probably should have won by even more... we played perfectly on the counter in those 2 matches, even if it was disappointing to see us cede control of the gameplay that badly over the 180 minutes.

Last year, even though we had clear weaknesses, I didn't see this lethargy, carelessness, and lack of motivation anywhere near as often. This year, aside from Ronaldo, Chiellini, and a couple new faces, it's in the whole side. And that's on Allegri. Even if I'm generally against change for the sake of change, unless there is a clear improvement available... fresh motivations from the bench might be just the thing for this team.
Agreed actually apart from the part on the Spurs games. IMO we went through being more clinical than them, but we were clearly the inferior team.

Who knows if changing coach would benifit us. Afterall we only see a small proportion of the work he does, and we have very little insites to his squad management skills, training methods, tactical analyses etc. Based on the games, I do think there is a case to be made, that we need a fresh approach.
 

JCK

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JCK
May 11, 2004
125,386
The whole defending a narrow lead in the era of 2 and 3 goal comebacks being the norm is fucking infuriating. It doesn't work against CL elite. It doesn't fucking work!

Even against the worst united team in fuck knows how many decades we tried bringing on ancient barzagli to protect a lead at home against fucking shit Europa League tier players. That shit needs to stop.

Allegri deserves a good club, he's done well but for me we peaked in 2015 and now we're at a point where we play unwatchable shit football and our game plan is literally a carbon copy of the old infamous Stoke team or Moyes Utd. If it isn't a cross, we are clueless in attack.

We need a change. Partly it's our shit midfield and chiellini dependence. Partly it's clearly Allegri. You can't tell me the Ajax and Spurs squad should be consistently playing much better football in Europe than ours all season long.

We need to kill games off, Allegri would rather play if safe but ironically in these big games it's anything but safe.

How dare you??!!
 

dolph

Senior Member
Mar 30, 2006
2,599
I agree with this, we’ve lacked a clear identity for years. But look at what has happened over the last few years. We’ve sold or let leave some very important players and replaced them with players that aren’t fit to lace boots. We’ve also lost older players;

Pirlo, Vidal, Pogba, Marchisio replaced by Khedira, Can, Pjanic, Matuidi

Evra, Alves, Lictsteiner, Asamoah replaced by
Sandro, Spinazzola De Sciglio and Cancelo

The only area we have improved is attack, with Berna, Costa Ronaldo, Dybala and Mandzukic - but who is supplying them?

We’ve won all we have been capable of winning - credit to Allegri. Yes our football isn’t good but we’ve got results. The only thing that matters is trophy’s. I’d love to win the CL playing shit football
I’d love to win the CL no matter what, however if I had a choice I would like to win it playing well being the best team in the competition, and not have a Chelsea style victory.
For me winning is the most important thing, but style is important to. I also believe that having a positive approach and playing style will help us being succesfull in the long term. Afterall playing well do bring excitment to the fans, players, management etc. It will help us grow revenue and attract the best players.

We just won our 8 straight Scudetto, 5 under Allegri, and still there is this weird feeling of negativity amongst the fans, in the press, and maybe also in the club internally. I dont think that would be the case, even if we got eliminated in the CHL QF, if we played well, and the fans could see the project and potential of the team.
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,386
I’d love to win the CL no matter what, however if I had a choice I would like to win it playing well being the best team in the competition, and not have a Chelsea style victory.
For me winning is the most important thing, but style is important to. I also believe that having a positive approach and playing style will help us being succesfull in the long term. Afterall playing well do bring excitment to the fans, players, management etc. It will help us grow revenue and attract the best players.

We just won our 8 straight Scudetto, 5 under Allegri, and still there is this weird feeling of negativity amongst the fans, in the press, and maybe also in the club internally. I dont think that would be the case, even if we got eliminated in the CHL QF, if we played well, and the fans could see the project and potential of the team.
That is the most annoying about the exit to Ajax is that we left the competition without a fight, we just accepted the defeat and repeatedly said that the CL is difficult and they deserved their win.
 

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